WeLoveChinesePod-Software - Suggestions for the Audio Review

That's exactly what I have always missed. When I signed up a year ago, CP was already really good, but I didn't have the time to study Chinese back then. Now, CP is even better, more personal and more educational, offering so many resources.

But we all should always strive for improvement, especially when it's so easy to achieve this. How about yet another audio file comprising the expansion sentences? Changing the format of the fix strikes me as a  little impractical.

It would be just brilliant to be able to study the expansion sentences on the go, for premium subscribers, of course. (In fact, not everyone has an internet flatrate.)

That would really be learning on our terms!

I agree. Expansion section is so important. This would be great. You have my vote.

I'm not sure that including all the expansion section it would be a real improvement.

In the abstract it could, but I'm afraid that, if you want to include a first reading, and then at least two or three random repetition (which is the main strenght of the Audio Review) for each sentence you'ld get a pretty long time to do so. Consider that the total timing for the whole expantion it ranges from a couple of minutes to nearly three minutes. If you multiply this for 3 or 4 times, and you add the time needed for the initial vocab section, well... you'll get something in the order of 15 minutes! it seems a little bit too much long for a review, somewhat discouraging, isn't it?

As regarding the Pdf, yes it would be fine, but I'd say, only more convenient, not strictly speaking, indispensable, given that is quite simple (I need one minute or so to do this) to copy and paste the text of the whole section and to put into a word doc or what else you prefer.

But I do have an idea to propose for a real improvement ,that is, to make available, plus the actual on line flash based version, not in substitution, a downloadable version of all the sequence of the sentences in a single Mp3 file.

I'm proposing this, basing on my experience. I'm used to record each sentence with an audio editor, to save it as an Mp3 file, and then I can listen to each sentence in a loop, on the computer as long as I want, or need, while trying to recognize its meaning, and, or, while trying to write it, both with IME, both handwriting with a pentablet, running a character recognition based input system, like the one you can get even in the demo of Wenlin.  In my experience, and in my personal opinion, this is extremely useful, and pleasant too.

Sometimes I transfer the file on a simple old mp3 player (not on Ipod, because it, incredibly, does not have this feature) and, while listening in loop each sentence with the A-B feature, I like to write with a brush (and water) on the floor of my terrace, and believe me, it's an ecstatic experience to do this in the silence and the sun of the morning....

And when I have enough time to do that, I also can record my Italian translation of the sentences, and then substitute the English part. But, to say the truth, this takes me pretty a lot of time, and I've done only a couple of times, but the result is very good. In fact, as I always supsected, the bigger benefit can be reached, if no one drop of energy is wasted for recognizing the English meaning, and the whole attention can be used for the Chinese. Have a try by yourselves, if you're not a native English speaker, I'm sure you'll notice huge advantage from this.

That's  my official request for a downloadable Audio Review!!

ciao a tutti, Michele,

I agree, it would be helpful to have the expansion material in the audio review.

Michele's description of recording all of the expansion sentences and manually creating an mp3 file inspired me. I wrote a program this morning that does this automatically.  In particular for a given lesson it creates an mp3 file of all of the expansion sentences, each said twice, with a 5 second delay in between.  I am sharing it here, in case any of you guys would find it useful.  I want to emphasize that this is *NOT* giving anyone access to premium content that they don't already have access to, it just makes it the premium content more accessible to us premium subscribers.  Before proceeding, please note the following:

Disclaimer

This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.

Instructions:

1. Install Python

2. Download the program and unzip it.

3. Double-click on cpod_expansion.py and follow the instructions in the black box that pops up.  It will ask for: your email address, password, and the name of the lesson that you want to download the expansion sentences for.  This information is only sent to the Praxis log-in site.

Alternatively, you can create a file called settings.txt in the same folder as cpod_expansion.py, which contains your email address in the first line, and your password in the second line.  Then if you run the program, you only have to enter the name of the lesson, and not your login information.

4. A file named after the requested lesson should then appear in the same directory.

Issues / Drawbacks:

1. No English... For this reason, I'm still hoping that CPod will consider incorporating all of the Expansion sentences into the audio review file.

2. The mp3 files created are weird and don't always work.  It plays sometimes for me in VLC, never in WMP, in QuickTime without any delay between sentences.  It does play perfectly on my Nokia cell phone, which is all that matters to me.

3. It gives the file the name "Use Mp3Splt to obtain original tracks".  You'll have to edit this yourself if you don't like it (right click on the file in Windows, and look at the Summary tab).

How it works:

After asking you for your email address, password, and the name of the lesson.  It logs into ChinesePod.  Once logged in, it then opens the expansion page of the lesson you requested, obtains a list of the expansion sentence mp3 files, and then downloads them.  It then uses the program mp3wrap to combine these into one file such that each sentence is said twice with a 5 second delay in between.

You just wrote a program...what the...? Absolute genius!

(That actually reminds of an experience I had in Cambodia. I complained about not having AC at home during class. The next day, one of my students presented me with a weird-looking machine compiled from rubbish. It actually worked. Somehow.)

I made a few small changes to the code, most notably that it only has a delay of 3.5 seconds before repeating each sentence.

Hi acorrigan@,

have you ever heard about the story of the single beat of wings of a butterfly in Amazon, and the hurricane, or the terrible snow storm, somwhere in the opposite side of the earth? Well I reckon that you can never foresee what a post can induce in an other ,brilliant indeed, CP user!!

I'd like to try your program; usually I'm quite reluctant to install new (and in this case it is really new) software, but in this case... it seems you know pretty well what are you doing!

谢谢你, Michele.

Well, I've just tried... it works, but there's something wrong, that perhaps could be fixed. The file I get can be opened only on  RealPlayer (nor iTune, neither my audio editor); and there's another problem,  each  sentence is  quickly reduplicated with no silence in between, afterwards there's a long, long time of silence, approximately reduplicating (two times totally i.e. X4 !!) the overall timing.

It seems to me that  the problem arise while joining all the single downloaded file into a single one. If is it difficult to fix this bug, maybe it should be better to stop the routine when all the clips are downloaded, and keep them  all  splitted.  What do you think about it?  Thanks in advance.

I downloaded V1, and it works perfectly in VLC and RealPlayer(2 sec pause). The pause in Windows Media Player is really long (4 seconds), on the other hand, the pause is really short (0.5 sec) when the file is played using Quicktime. Doesn't work properly with IrfanView because sometimes the file won't open at all and the duration time is all messed up. I'm going to test the files on my MP3 and mobile phone.

Thumbs up anyway.

(Better than my feeble experimental programmes at school that were so horrible they even messed up the whole network.)

Would it be possible the enable the simultaneous creation of several lesson specific files?

Hi bubobubo@, OK Thumbs up anyway, but do you have an idea how can I get the V1, now the link brings to the V2... I guess should uninstall mine actuall version and the install the old one... hmm.. perhaps it's better wait for acorrigan@ wake up... I'm sure he's able to fix the bug!

problem report: Program works fine for 82 of the intermediate lessons. The others simply won't be compiled. (e.g Chinese Wedding Customs )

Hi Bubobubo,

Wow, 82 intermediate lessons!  Chinese Wedding Customs isn't working in general due the the "No Data" bug they're still working on since they upgraded the web site, which you can see if you try playing the expansion sentences on the Chinese Wedding Customs web site.  There's nothing this program can do to avoid that bug.  

Regarding enabling the creation of multiple files simultaneously, there's already built-in support for this ;-)  To do this, create a file called lessons.txt and on each line put the name of the lesson that you want to create (one per line, exactly as it appears in the URL of the lesson).  When you run the program, it won't ask you for the name of a lesson and will process all of the lessons you have listed.

Hi Michele,

Regarding V1 vs. V2.  The only changes made between the two were that, I made the silence shorter and added more comments and messages to the code.  It's still producing mp3 files exactly the same way, so downgrading to the first version won't help.  I no longer have it anyway.   The problem lies with the fact that mp3wrap, which is the program my program calls to put all of the individual clips together, produces mp3 files which don't appear to be well-supported by various media players.  In the long-term, I'm going to look for another program to, hopefully losslessly, combine all of the clips together.

As per your request, I have modified the code so that it leaves behind all of the individual expansion sentence mp3 files. I posted a new version.  I hope that this is more helpful to you.

Hi acorrigan@,

thanks a lot for your work!

Just a more question: is it the last version posted at the same old link? I'm saying so 'cause I've just downloaded it and tried: it works exactly the same way I described in my previuos post. It's quite strange...

At any rate I don't mean pushing you to spend (or waste?) all of your first Sunday of Summer, trying to fix a presumed  bug...

I've just realized the new version creates also a folder, having the same name of the lesson, with all the single Mp3 files within... For me this is already very good and time saving!! Believe me, you're a genius!!

" you're a genius!!"

I second that.

But there's a staggering number of lessons that don't have proper audio. aiyo...

I implemented a new feature and posted it in the same place linked above.  The program now automatically generate an HTML file, that's just like the PDF distributed by ChinesePod for each lesson, except that it contains the expansion sentences.  This basically takes care of Suggestion 2 in my original post.

The zip file contains a new file called generate_document.py, but you don't need to run that program, you still just run cpod_expansion.py.

It doesn't generate a PDF, since I couldn't find something free that handles the Chinese characters well.  I hope that an HTML document is sufficient.

To avoid any misunderstanding, I want to again emphasize that this is not making any premium content available to those who don't already have access to it.  It just makes it more accessible to those of us who already have a premium subscription.

Thanks to Michele for the idea, it now automatically downloads the sentences from the dialogue tab and makes an mp3 out of those as well.

My next priority is to get rid of the messed up Author/Title tags automatically.

Dear acorrigan,

would it be possible to provide the same kind of program for the other language pods? I am sure the users over there would really appreciate this great tool.

I have run into a problem, ever since the announcement of the "no audio"-bug having been fixed. Even lesson expansions that I was able to download before won't work now. Is it possible that the format (or whatever was changed) is incompatible?

Hi Bubobubo,

It is very likely that they changed the website such that the program no longer works.  However, I just tested the program and it appears to be working mostly fine, aside from mp3wrap making weird mp3 files, and one issue with lessons such as death-by-ninja. Most lessons however work as well as they did previously.  I updated the program to be able to download the death-by-ninja lesson correctly.  There's a small chance that this is the problem you were having. Can you please redownload the program and try again and let me know if the problem persists?

Chances are there's something else that's wrong, and therefore I am working on adding error logging to the code that will help me debug it.  I should have a new version this weekend.  Hopefully we will be able to debug the program then.

As per your request, I updated the program to handle the other languages.  However, this is untested since I don't currently have access to the Premium content of SpanishPod, FrenchPod, or ItalianPod, so I have no idea if it actually works. If you have any luck with it, or any problems please let me know (in addition to your already reported problems). The way it works is as follows, there is a text file called language.txt.  Currently it says chinese at the top.  To download lessons from the other websites, you need to change this to say either spanish, italian, or french.

On an unrelated note, the updated version of the program also fixes a problem with the expansion sentences HTML document.

To anyone else using the program, please feel to report bugs or request features as Bubobubo and Michele have.  I want to make this program as useful as possible!

Something strange happened.  Right around the time I posted the preceding message I received an email thanking me for signing up for ItalianPod....

So I was able to do a preliminary test, and I tried out the "amatriciana" ItalianPod lesson.  It appears to be working at least as well as it does for ChinesePod lessons.

@acorrigan: Do you think there is anything in the least WEIRD about your doing so much to offer solutions to your fellow users, out of the goodness of your heart, when Praxis seems to be sitting on its hands at the worst possible time? Seriously, I give you 100% respect for being such a noble human being.

at any rate, Auntie, he made something really useful. 

I've downloaded his program and, believe me, it's quite interesting and time saving too, indeed, in the case you want to study off line the expansion section. But probably, not many users here  on CP think  this is an essential feature, otherwise there should have been more request in this sense. Perhaps people  are becoming more and more all-the-day-along-connected to the internet...

as to the possible reason why he do so, well, I guess Acorrigan likes intellectual challanges, but for sure, he's a very kind person.

@michele: to me, acorrigan represents the best kind of human being. Hope you didn't misunderstand -- or get stressed out by -- my grumpy post! I think that CPOD is very lucky to have users like him, who help keep things calm at a time when the tech people must be absolutely stressed out! By my calculations, they've been under extreme stress for one month now... it's probably their own choice, but still, not a nice place to be! I appreciate everything they do for us, I just think it's a bit strange that paying users like acorrigan have to step up to the plate and provide solutions that Praxis can't (or won't?) spend time and money to discover.

well, I'm happy you agree  with  me about Acorrigan, and I'm saying so because, even in a reply he gave me to a personal message I've sent, he was very nice and helpful to me.

Regarding Praxis attitude towards this kind of matters, I guess that they take more care mainly of the accademic stuff, and , in effect, they're producing a huge amount of learning material since a long time.

But the shape, the outer appearance of the site, I think that it's just what most of the people want. I'm not saying I don't like it, not at all, if I go to see something of the old material it looks to me very out of date, strange, and I do prefer the actual look.

But is a fact that I did not see many endorsement to my request for a downloadable version of the expansion  in addition to the actual, so I guess at Praxis they would think: everything it's OK as it is! don't you think so?

Sometimes I'm tempted to think that many internet users likes very simple things, very simple mechanism, even at the cost of less freedom of usage and choice. But it's only my personal opinion.. and it's self evident that I like a lot people like you Auntie, who always speaks very clearly, whenever you have something to say..

Dear friends:

It seems to me that many people here on CP are not even full users (neither am I, but that is different matter). I agree wholeheartedly with your asessment of the mentality of the majority of internet users. I am a 高中 teacher (English and Sciences) , and I use the free sections of this website to get an impression how (and what kind of) foreigners learn Chinese and to get some ideas for my own lessons (I tutor expats and business persons in Hubei province 湖北 , Hunan 武汉). My students are very quick to endorse every bit of information found online, not bothering to verify them. This makes for many problems.

It has surprised me how little apperantly (we dont know what is going on behind the scenes so we should not let rashness guide our judgement) is done nowadays by the Praxis team, and how little is demanded by the users. It seems to me that the staff used to be brimming with passion and innovation, but now ... Do not misunderstand me, I am happy to see that you make great shows and continue producing relevant shows. But a few things have struck me as weird: a) The newbie lessons seem to be repeating. b) The Grammar section is still very small. c) It often takes verylong until a question is answered by authorities (users are always quick and helpful, but being learners themselves, their answers might not be 100% correct). How has this come about? PraxisLanguage is constantly expanding, so the ought to have enough employees. Perhaps the effort is concentrated on the subscribers that pay the most (Guided subscription etc.), although that would be very saddening. Another problem is not being informed properly about updates or changes, which I understand has confused some subscribers. I do not intent to hurt anyone or critcize pointlessly. It's just... 啊，。。。以自强不息!

But looking at the comments, it also seems to be the case that few users are actually really active, like "henning", "auntie68,"changye". What about the others, that CP must have, otherwise the business model would not work? If only there were more people like "acorrigan" on this website. And in the world!

Life and learning, especially language aquisition, is based on contributions from everyone involved, it's a joint effort. 让我们和谐发展、多方共赢!

Please excuse my English, I know I made countless mistakes.

acorrigan said:

"Suggestion 2: Add all of the expansion sentences into the PDF file (presumably, for Premium users only)"

Seconded!

Bubobubo said: "How about yet another audio file comprising the expansion sentences?"

That would be great for me!

zhanglihua,

I have to agree with your assesment. I am a premium subscriber and I have to say, as thrilled as I am with the teaching methods, I have seriously considered dropping out of cpod for all the reasons you have mentioned. Perhaps I will go back to books, character memorization, and other methods for a few months and return later to see if things are better. They just dont seem to get it.

Cocodrilo,

In the midst of this discussion, I posted a program that creates an HTML file with all of the expansion sentences, just like the PDF file.  It also creates an audio file (not working perfectly yet - I'm still working on this) with all of the expansion sentences. You might want to check it out, it might be helpful to you.

Andrew 阿度

acorrigan, 

Thank you for reminding me about it. I read in the posts there were some bugs in the program and also that you have made a new version. Although I find myself spending more time downloading files, trying out programs, etc. than actually studying Chinese, I´ll  download both programs and give them a try.

Thanks again for your reminder and for the program!

acorrigan,

does your program accept Hanzi? (for the advanced lessons)

 rjberki,

After a week of trial subscription, I´m thrilled too, but  I think I´ll wait a few months to sign up (if things get better).

zhanglihua said: "But a few things have struck me as weird:"

I would add:

d) Some sound files in Resources/Pronounciation do not correspond with what is written in pinyin. (There are quite a few examples here http://chinesepod.com/resources/pronunciation/section/10)

Zhang老师,

I can't figure out how to make it work using Hanzi.  Instead it's still possible to download Advanced lessons, only it doesn't work very nicely, for example if you want to download the lesson 垃圾回收, the lesson's URL can be written as http://chinesepod.com/lessons/%E5%9E%83%E5%9C%BE%E5%9B%9E%E6%94%B6/discussion

Therefore you can type in %E5%9E%83%E5%9C%BE%E5%9B%9E%E6%94%B6 as the lesson's name.  A better solution is definitely possible, chances are I'm not handling Unicode correctly in my program.  I've added this to my to-do list.  Thanks for pointing it out!

Andrew 阿度

acorrigan,

I finally tried your program. On WMP it will only play the first sentence and then it stops at the pause and returns to start. If I drag and drop on my ipod it works fine, and I can use quick time to play on my computer but the pause is short. The html file is also a great time saver.

Weixiao - I hope you tried this since you were having so many problems with cut and paste of the expansion. This creates the entire document for you- so nice.

acorrigan- thanks so much. you are a gentleman and a scholar. Thanks for taking the time. Great job.

-RJ

cocodrilo,

I think it is still worth signing up. I didnt mean to discourage anyone. This is still a great way to study Chinese. Still the best game in town.

I tried your program and it seems to be working smoothly, except for one minor issue: If I try to download multiple lesson expansions using the method you mentioned above, not a single one gets downloaded, even if I put only one lesson name into the text file. Instead, some notes appear in the black window for a split-second and then the program just closes.

Might simply be a singulary incident due to an obscure configuration of my computer.

We're keeping you busy, aren't we? ;-)

(I should consider getting some sleep. Tomorrow I will have to watch the football game with my guest student from Spain, that will be rather late as well...)

I've downloaded V2, V3, V4 and V5.

I'm using V5, but multiple dowloading with the txt. list it works only  with V4 for me.

But, up to now, I've not downloaded the latest version, it seems to me is possibly a V6, isn't it?

P.S. hi Andrew, in effect, I've tried today with the last advanced, and to type that messy bounch of characters is a true challange, but in the end, it still works!

A big thanks to ACorrigan for this program.

Another alternative is to download and use the program Audacity which can record all sound out of your speakers. Press record on Audacity, press play on each of the Expansion sentences one at a time (so you can choose how much of a  pause between sentences, whether to repeat sentences twice, etc.), and then after stopping Audacity you're able to save it to your harddrive as an Mp3 file.

Auntie, I look at ACorrigan's contribution as not unlike a Firefox plug-in, so don't mind the fact that ChinesePod didn't create it itself. I've come to grips with the fact that ChinesePod's priority enhancements are quite different than those what I would make a priority, but I guess they're trying to please as many people as possible. Not an easy task, they're probably in a no-win situation, as if they just left things alone they could stagnate while new competitors spring up periodically. But at this point, with ChinesePod upgrades I don't really hope for features that will make my learning easier, I just cross my fingers that the upgrades they make don't negatively impact my learning or take up too much of my time reversing or neutralizing. Professional, fluently bilingual and bicultural podcasts that are hard to find elsewhere, especially at the Intermediate-Upper Intermediate-Advanced levels, and that are supplemented by invaluable Expansion and Qing Wen features, from a devoted staff that tries hard and largely succeeds but at times seems overwhelmed. That's how I'd sum up my ChinesePod experience, so on a scale or 1 to 10 an 8 or 9. Still the best $20 per month that I spend.

lordstanley,

well said - or it could be that like many companies, they have a great staff and poor management.

Did you ever get your free mug? I didnt think so. :-)

Hmm, while you're at it, could the dialogue sentences be included in the html file as well? ;-) acorrigan加油!

And perhaps the additional vocab? I know this goes beyond the scope of your program, but that would be a real timesaver for those users who like to meticulously copy the material anyway.

by the way, the pinyin is slightly strange sometimes. For example in "I don't want it", The examples for 没关系 lack the mei2guan1xi completely.

the cpod mouse-over doesnt work in that lesson on 没关系 either. could this be related?

@lordstanley:

I absolutely agree with you that CPOD delivers "professional, fluently bilingual and bicultural podcasts that are hard to find elsewhere, especially at the Intermediate-Upper Intermediate-Advanced levels."

My grumpy posts reflect frustration over the way change is managed here. As a basic subscriber, my expectations and my needs are so simple. Yet the transition to V4 has still managed to disrupt my workflow a couple of times, or else I've found myself wasting time discovering that something which I've always done no longer works.

The amount of energy which users are putting into finding their own solutions to teething problems -- eg. wei1xiao4's thread on how to copy "Expansion Exercises", or the very useful bug reports which LostInAsia provides in John Pasden's "New Features" thread  -- just doesn't make sense. 

And as to Praxis needing to expand: Has anybody here visited FrenchPod lately? They have absolutely brilliant teachers/ hosts, CPOD-quality lessons, but they seem to have lost control in some sense. Granted, it's an unusual situation, not one which could have been planned for, but surely the management (the "suits") could do with fewer distractions at a time when they are struggling to manage the transition to V4?

@zhanglihua:

I know what you mean about users being learners themselves. The blind leading the blind! In my case, I've begun to resist the temptation to jump in and offer substantive help, because it seems that posting my usual half-baked reply almost guarantees that the question won't be answered by Amber or Clay (even if I'm wrong). 

Or, auntie68, they could simply ask the somewhat more proficient users to help alleviate the amount of work created by newbies and perhaps offer some incentives!

This morning I made a web page for the program: 我们爱ChinesePod.  The next version of the program, which is linked to on the web site, is not yet available. This new version will have the error logging feature that will help me help you debug the program when it doesn't work, such as the the problems reported by Zhanglihua and Bubobubo.  I'll post again when the program is updated.

Also, I have addressed recent bug reports and feature requests on this web page.  I will modify the program to add the dialogue sentences and additional vocabulary to the HTML file.  Also the reason that the Pinyin for 没关系 is indeed due to the reason explained by RJ.  This means that it's ChinesePod's mistake, and it's up to them to fix it if someone reports it to them.

Andrew / 阿度

I wanted to add to the discussion above.  Many have said that ChinesePod has been unresponsive.  In my experience, the opposite is true . Whenever I email them directly at chinesepod@gmail.com I get a response back almost immediately from Adi, even on weekends, with any delay seemingly due to the time zone difference.  Furthermore John was very vocal in discussions that they were aware of the "No Data" issue and were working on it.  What may seem like a simple problem to fix, might have actually been a huge problem that required a lot of manual effort to fix.  The only thing I think that they did wrong was not having a centralized location on their web site to report known issues and whether or not progress is being made towards addressing them  (something akin to what I saw RJ suggest elsewhere).

Andrew / 阿度

I don't have a problem with the quality issues on the site, but I have a free account. If I was a paying member then my expectations would be higher and I would be very upset with the types of problems reported and lack of transparency on the resolutions, as well as being in the unwelcome role of paying to provide QA for someone.

just a test.

Hi

Ive been reading this thread today with some interest and I would like to make 2 comments

1) I downloaded acorrigan's program, and its impressive.  Its also a good example of how the open source paradigm can apply to ChinesePod. Ideally, though, CPOD as the content provider should set some guidelines, so people like acorrigan can code more download type apps.

2) I noticed people complain more and more about CPOD. In my opinion, CPOD has a difficult task making everyone happy, the growth of CPOD is really what bothers people.

To me CPOD is a revolution from the extremely boring Chinese Practical Reader I used to read, so I try not to worry about the bugs. I am sure the management at praxis is focused on their new language sites, and probably has a change control policy akin to "do no harm"

And also I give them credit for the risk and investment involved of building their infrastructure.

Are they making money? I really dont know. Its still a relatively new paradigm, and they must know how easy it is to start up an internet site.

Incidentally, since I cant resist making a sugesstion :)     I agree with the comment about setting up a central location for bug reporting. I think in general the conversation pages have become bloated, and theres valuable nuggets within that should be moved elsewhere people can make use of them.

Tom

The way the new design and new langauge pods have been rolled out just sent a message, correct or not,  that expansion is a higher priority than quality. It's a concern because users have a right to expect what they paid for to work, and because the multiple sites also multiply the visibility of the problems (may also mulitply the work involved in fixing/verifying, though that is not always the case).

Very few commercial software teams fix everything they want to fix; usually the demands on their time mean that their attention is strictly prioritized towards things they really need to fix.

In the absence of regulatory or competitive incentives, quality may have to be user driven here. I hope that as a user community we continue to hold ChinesePod to high standards.