<![CDATA[Comments on: Travel by Tour Group]]> 2010-03-25 18:00:00 <![CDATA[By: ellen_counselor]]> 我爱自由行！Wǒ ài zì yóu xíng !

跟团(travel by a tour group)只能上车睡觉，下车尿尿，景点拍照 :P

Gēntuán zhǐnéng shàngchē shuìjiào, xiàchē niàoniào, jǐngdiǎn pāizhào.

]]> 我爱自由行！Wǒ ài zì yóu xíng !

跟团(travel by a tour group)只能上车睡觉，下车尿尿，景点拍照 :P

Gēntuán zhǐnéng shàngchē shuìjiào, xiàchē niàoniào, jǐngdiǎn pāizhào.

]]> <![CDATA[By: lujiaojie]]> 上次跟团，导游老带我们去买东西，烦死了！

]]> 上次跟团，导游老带我们去买东西，烦死了！

]]> <![CDATA[By: lujiaojie]]> 上次跟团，导游老带我们去买东西，烦死了！

]]> 上次跟团，导游老带我们去买东西，烦死了！

]]> <![CDATA[By: suburbanite]]> 以后再逛逛。yǐ hòu zài guàng guang。 Afterward shop again.

]]> 以后再逛逛。yǐ hòu zài guàng guang。 Afterward shop again.

]]> <![CDATA[By: henning]]> The 3-2-combination is a killer, indeed. The issue is that you have to start the 2nd-tone higher than in isolation, or at least that is my feeling.

]]> The 3-2-combination is a killer, indeed. The issue is that you have to start the 2nd-tone higher than in isolation, or at least that is my feeling.

]]> <![CDATA[By: davidmaners89]]> this one is so much better than yesterday's! After listening to yesterday's (not good) , I can really appreciate today's lesson!

]]> this one is so much better than yesterday's! After listening to yesterday's (not good) , I can really appreciate today's lesson!

]]> <![CDATA[By: davidmaners89]]> there's a little mistake in the last sentence of the expansion section. The pop-up dictionary says 網速 is "internet", but it should actually be "internet speed"

]]> there's a little mistake in the last sentence of the expansion section. The pop-up dictionary says 網速 is "internet", but it should actually be "internet speed"

]]> <![CDATA[By: connie]]> Fixed now. Thank you for pointing that out.

]]> Fixed now. Thank you for pointing that out.

]]> <![CDATA[By: excuter]]> 尿尿 that´s my vocab word of the day, if I have the chance to visit china I probably use it many times 谢谢你阿 ^_^

]]> 尿尿 that´s my vocab word of the day, if I have the chance to visit china I probably use it many times 谢谢你阿 ^_^

]]> <![CDATA[By: idesofmarch2010]]> Thanks for the useful 尿尿 verb phrase ellen, but can you tell us in what context this character is read as "sui"?

I'm also curious about the how do distinguish 吗 and 嘛 in speech since they're both neutral tones. Do they sound exactly the same? 什么吗 of course sounds grammatically incorrect to me...

Thanks!

I have another tip for the 3-2 tone pair (a tip that I think John himself has mentioned on his blog): The first third tone syllable is NOT a full third tone! Rather, if you listen closely, you will realize it is simply a dip to the bottom of the vocal range, without the rise up again. This may make the 3-2 combination easier: just dip down to the bottom of your vocal range and then come back up with the second syllable.

]]> Thanks for the useful 尿尿 verb phrase ellen, but can you tell us in what context this character is read as "sui"?

I'm also curious about the how do distinguish 吗 and 嘛 in speech since they're both neutral tones. Do they sound exactly the same? 什么吗 of course sounds grammatically incorrect to me...

Thanks!

I have another tip for the 3-2 tone pair (a tip that I think John himself has mentioned on his blog): The first third tone syllable is NOT a full third tone! Rather, if you listen closely, you will realize it is simply a dip to the bottom of the vocal range, without the rise up again. This may make the 3-2 combination easier: just dip down to the bottom of your vocal range and then come back up with the second syllable.

]]> <![CDATA[By: idesofmarch2010]]> duplicate comment

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]]> <![CDATA[By: bill]]> 我同意你. 我们喜欢去散步看看. 但是导游在博物馆很有用。

]]> 我同意你. 我们喜欢去散步看看. 但是导游在博物馆很有用。

]]> <![CDATA[By: gaopeng]]> 我非常喜欢旅游。它是我最喜欢的爱好之一。我现在在中国当英语老师。我们的学校是一所公立的高中。虽然我们的薪水没有在私立公司的高，但是我们有很多旅游机会（因为中国的学校常常放假！）。

所以我跟我的美国同屋一起去旅游，观光中国最有名的地方。对我来说，这个机会真是无价的。我们俩当然去自由行。我坚决不要一个导游告诉我什么时候我能玩儿，什么时候必须上车，什么时候去购物。

可是，我也可以承认跟旅行团的优势。比如说，前年我的父母到中国去旅游。他们跟旅行团。旅行团帮助他们订票，订酒店，送他们去飞机场，等等。我觉得这个办法对他们的在中国旅行经历有好处。他们不必担心因为他们不会说普通话，不必花很多时间安排行程，还有能认识到很多新的“团友”。

Henning. 我同意你的看法。有“3－2”声调的词很难说。I second IdesofMarch's view. The way I look at it is you draw out the "down" part of the 3rd tone, but don't say most of the "up" part of the 3rd tone.  Just start going "up" a bit, then change to the 2nd.

]]> 我非常喜欢旅游。它是我最喜欢的爱好之一。我现在在中国当英语老师。我们的学校是一所公立的高中。虽然我们的薪水没有在私立公司的高，但是我们有很多旅游机会（因为中国的学校常常放假！）。

所以我跟我的美国同屋一起去旅游，观光中国最有名的地方。对我来说，这个机会真是无价的。我们俩当然去自由行。我坚决不要一个导游告诉我什么时候我能玩儿，什么时候必须上车，什么时候去购物。

可是，我也可以承认跟旅行团的优势。比如说，前年我的父母到中国去旅游。他们跟旅行团。旅行团帮助他们订票，订酒店，送他们去飞机场，等等。我觉得这个办法对他们的在中国旅行经历有好处。他们不必担心因为他们不会说普通话，不必花很多时间安排行程，还有能认识到很多新的“团友”。

Henning. 我同意你的看法。有“3－2”声调的词很难说。I second IdesofMarch's view. The way I look at it is you draw out the "down" part of the 3rd tone, but don't say most of the "up" part of the 3rd tone.  Just start going "up" a bit, then change to the 2nd.

]]> <![CDATA[By: istara]]> In English自由行 would probably be translated as "independent travel".

What's the reason that 你还不赶紧做作业？doesn't require a 马?

This sentence I also found quite tricky:

都怪我不好

Without help I would have translated it more like "You can't blame me for everything" or "It's not good to blame me for everything".

Also 今天要做完这些事的话. You can just say 要。。的话 without the 是?

]]> In English自由行 would probably be translated as "independent travel".

What's the reason that 你还不赶紧做作业？doesn't require a 马?

This sentence I also found quite tricky:

都怪我不好

Without help I would have translated it more like "You can't blame me for everything" or "It's not good to blame me for everything".

Also 今天要做完这些事的话. You can just say 要。。的话 without the 是?

]]> <![CDATA[By: lujiaojie]]> When it used as a noun, it pronounced as "sui". But it's not common. I never used it and never heard it.

Maybe it can help you:

Qing Wen - Ending your sentence with 嘛 （ma)

]]> When it used as a noun, it pronounced as "sui". But it's not common. I never used it and never heard it.

Maybe it can help you:

Qing Wen - Ending your sentence with 嘛 （ma)

]]> <![CDATA[By: lujiaojie]]> 还不.....吗？ You can omit “吗”？However “吗” can soften the tone. "你还不赶紧做作业？"sounds a little bit "angry".

今天要做完这些事的话. It's not “要是....的话”，it's more like ：今天（如果）要做完这些事的话” Here 要 means "need, must", not "if".

]]> 还不.....吗？ You can omit “吗”？However “吗” can soften the tone. "你还不赶紧做作业？"sounds a little bit "angry".

今天要做完这些事的话. It's not “要是....的话”，it's more like ：今天（如果）要做完这些事的话” Here 要 means "need, must", not "if".

]]> <![CDATA[By: lujiaojie]]> "都怪我不好”意思是“都怪我做的不好”。是自己说：这件事都怪我，是我的错。

]]> "都怪我不好”意思是“都怪我做的不好”。是自己说：这件事都怪我，是我的错。

]]> <![CDATA[By: ellen_counselor]]> hi, idesofmarch2010

"sui1" is used as a noun but it's not common at all. As a noun, it's common to say "niao4" or "xiao3 bian4".

Yes, you're correct. About 3-1, 3-2 and 3-4 tone pair : the third tone is not pronounced as a full third tone. "just dip down to the bottom of your vocal range and then come back up with the second syllable."

]]> hi, idesofmarch2010

"sui1" is used as a noun but it's not common at all. As a noun, it's common to say "niao4" or "xiao3 bian4".

Yes, you're correct. About 3-1, 3-2 and 3-4 tone pair : the third tone is not pronounced as a full third tone. "just dip down to the bottom of your vocal range and then come back up with the second syllable."

]]> <![CDATA[By: wanksta]]> 尿尿 =pee-pee

]]> 尿尿 =pee-pee

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