Simplifying the Mobile Site

light487
August 25, 2008, 10:31 PM posted in General Discussion

Hi people!

I couldn't locate the original Mobile Site conversation so I decided to start a new one. This is more of a request and to see if other people share my view that the mobile site needs to be simplified a little.

I don't have an iPhone, I use a HipTop Slide (aka SideKick in the USA) to access the internet when I am on the go. For the most part I can view many pages normally and participate in "some" forums discussions, facebook, blogging etc but there are some sites that are very rich in Java and Flash that I am unable to access because my device does not support these fully.

When I go to most sites that support mobile devices, the site is tailored to suit the low-bandwidth requirements of these devices. All the images have been stripped off the page, all the flash removed, scripts are kept to an absolute minimum etc. You basically end up with a text-based page with one or two pictures, and basic input boxes if interaction is allowed.

So.. back to the Mobile cPOD site: Last month when I decided to go back to Premium membership, instead of just Basic (my needs have changed a little), I did so under the impression that I would be able to do most of the same things on my mobile device that I can do on the main site because there was a dedicated mobile site. Unfortunately, due to the large amount of flash being used to drive the site, I am unable to even participate in conversation discussions.

The "Lessons" page has large pictures for each lesson and a very long description of the lesson, just like on the main site. This makes it a chore to find the lesson I want and because there is no search function on the mobile site, I am unable to refine the displayed lessons down. I do see a "Filter" button there but it does not function for me because I think it is using Flash or something in order to send the requests. This is a cosmetic thing, for sure, but a simplified list like that one found on the main site's "Manage Archived Lessons" would be perfect for the mobile site.

So, overlooking that for the moment, I enter in on a lesson to find out that I can't listen to the content directly. This is just a restriction by my device, I can just download the MP3s at home and load them on my memory stick.. there's nothing cPOD can do about this.. even if it wasn't a flash player, I am not able to stream MP3s to my device. Anyway.. I can read the discussion comments left by other people but when I go to post my own lesson comment, the editor at the bottom does not allow me to post. I can type out my response in the editor but clicking on the "Add Comment" button does nothing.

In the Community Conversation section, it gets even worse. I am able to see the initial post by the original poster but all the comments are missing and just the "Loading..." text is displayed. Again, I can type in the editor box but can't get it to submit my comment.

One last thing.. My device doesn't have a great amount of language support, and whenever I view both Hanzi and the accented Pinyin, I am getting a lot of "missing" characters. Would it be possible to add the "numbered" type of pinyin to the PDFs or something for mobile devices that don't have great language support?

My subscription needs renewing again and I'll have to resign myself to the Basic level until such a time that the mobile site becomes a little more useable for me. It may sound like a step backwards by simplifying the mobile site and stripping it of all the unneeded content.. but in my opinion it's a step forward to allow more people with less-than-hitech mobile devices to access the site directly without having to do annoying workarounds just to use the site.

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calkins
August 25, 2008, 10:45 PM

Light, I don't need the use of the mobile site very often, but I have run into some of the same issues you have (on my Palm TX).

I vaguely remember that the site was designed specifically for iPhones using Safari, simply because that's CPod's target market.  Not really the answer you were looking for, but I think that's why it is the way it is.

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light487
August 25, 2008, 10:51 PM

Hrmm yeh.. I figured as much.. Hopefully though, someone can at least consider making a more simplified version of the site.. or at least making some changes to make it easier to use and more point to using the mobile site for those without iPhones.

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fordbronco
August 25, 2008, 11:01 PM

i've always thought of the iphone tweaked site as basically a poor/lazy programmer's cop-out, and a misguided guess at what the market really is for mobile learning. you have to at least try to support the lowest common demoninator browser. this is supposed to be an internet based company after all.

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boran
August 27, 2008, 06:41 PM

The "iPhone site" has been a problem for me since it was introduced.  I, too, sans iPhone, have problems with the site on my Palm Treo.  And you're right about the need for a real mobile site - that is, one that is actually optimized for the limited bandwidth and screen size inherit with the mobile world.

Now that the CPod staff have been encouraged to buy iPhones I see two possible future paths: 1) more attention will be made to make it a true mobile site (I like this path!) or 2) more attention will be made to make it a spiffy, shiny iPhone application that works great on, well, the iPhone and nothing else (grrr, I don't like this path).

I asked back when this was introduced for some guidance on exactly what mobile devices are officially supported on the current site (other than of course the iPhone).  Still waiting for an answer.

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excuter
August 27, 2008, 07:16 PM

same problems here, using a sony ericsson cybershot handy (newest available on the german market,with a 5 megapixel camera...). using a different rss feed for every little thing isn´t very convenient, but I didn´t try posting so far so I don´t know if it works for me; but I guess not...

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John
August 28, 2008, 02:09 AM

light487,

Our company sees the iPhone as the future of mobile learning, and a new standard for mobile devices in general. Clearly, though, it's not the only thing out there.

While I don't see the iPhone bias going away anytime soon, I think we can and should find ways to make the site compatible with as many mobile platforms as possible.

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mikenotinjubei
August 28, 2008, 03:00 AM

Hi John

  Is there a place that describes what you can do now (with screen dumps) and what maybe planned for improvements on the mobile site of CPOD if one has a i-Phone/i-Touch? As an example can you see the dialogue and listen to the lesson at the same time? Do you have access to expanded sentences?

  If the Apple Rumors are correct with price cuts coming Sept. 9th the i-Touch looks attractive if it does have value now or in the near future while sitting on the Tokyo subway.

 

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adjusting
August 28, 2008, 08:02 AM

mikenotinjubei,

If you want to see what the mobile site can do, just load up http://m.chinesepod.com in your regular browser. If you use Safari and resize your browser window to be about twice as tall as it is wide, you'll see more or less what it looks like on the iPhone's screen.

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henning
August 28, 2008, 08:09 AM

Ideally there would be 2 sites: An iPhone and a more rudimentary mobile site.

Mike: Unfortunatelly, no, because when you listen to the soundbites, lesssons, or dialogues, the QuickTime player pushes itsself up front, blocking the complete screen with the QuickTime-logo while playing the audio. You don't even have the Hanzi that come with the downloaded MP3s.