Ways of saying I

trevorb
June 29, 2010, 06:37 PM posted in I Have a Question
Okay so reading up on the Google thing I followed a reference look at baidu and in their About Baidu found this quote "we believe there are at least 38 ways of saying "I" in Chinese. " ( about baidu ) Alas I found I could only think of two, which seems pretty poor so I thought it was time to through it open to my fellow students and see what we can come up with........
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trevorb
June 29, 2010, 06:43 PM

As you can't add links to the original post as yet here is the active link to the baidu about page (incase you can't figure out how to get there!)

Baidu About

So currently I'm about thirty six ways short following the obvious

自己

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xiaophil

By the way, you can add links after the fact. After you make the post, go to community and click on the post tab. You will be able to edit your original post and there is a complete toolbar.

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trevorb

Ah, could only find a way to do it when replying! Cheers for that

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trevorb

just tried this and I still can't access the original post only the reply bit. How do you access the original post...?

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zhenlijiang

In the grey band at the bottom of these pages are five little columns of links--"Home", "Lessons", "Community", "Tools", "Help". Under "Community" you see Posts / Profile. Click on Posts and that will take you to a list of the posts you've made. There's a pencil icon at the right end for each post. Click on it to open and edit. And re-publish, or Save as Draft.

* Well I too hope this 奇怪 inconvenience is just a transition stage but wouldn't hold my breath. It's been this way for quite some time now. *

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zhenlijiang
June 29, 2010, 07:16 PM

Hi Trevorb this is a fun question. A couple for the list:

俺  ǎn

咱  zán

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trevorb

ah 咱 is interesting I'd not thought of that as I as I'd always thought of the 咱们 being an inclusive we and hadn't thought of 咱 as an inclusive I because all I's include the speaker!

I wonder if dialects are the key to some of the other 34? in the same way as 俺 is a Northern variation (which I had to look up to find out..!)

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xiaophil

I kind of think that the dialects are key. To the Chinese people, 中文 encompasses all the languages of the Chinese people. But then again, I wouldn't be surprised if Changye pulls out his resources and makes a long list of 34+ equivalents. As for 咱 and 自己, I think those are pushing the limits of 'I'. In my mind 咱 is just an abbreviated form of 咱们, I guess 咱 could work if the person is talking to his or herself. 自己 usually means myself, oneself, herself, etc. I don't think we can say 自己去买东西, but we can say 我自己去买东西.

Even though 俺 is regional, I do think that it is still loosely considered Mandarin. It's like how only certain places in the US say howdy, but almost everywhere in the English world is familiar with the term.

By the way, there is a famous essay called 俺娘俺爹.

I do have one contribution:

人家 (although this doesn't exclusively mean 'I')

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zhenlijiang

Surely 咱们 would be 咱 made plural by 们, not the other way around ...

I got my two words from a Japanese-Chinese dictionary (searching for the Chinese words for one of our "I"s, 俺 o-re). And while I have, in my limited experience and knowledge, sometimes seen 俺 (internet forums) in use I have never seen 咱 in use, so I certainly have no trouble accepting that 咱 is lower in frequency.

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orangina

Zhen, I see your point about 们 being the plural component of 咱们, but since 咱们 and 我们 have different meanings 咱 and 我 logically may not correlate exactly. And my roll over for 咱 says "we" as does my paper dictionary. Though the paper one also says "I" as the second definition. So I am sure 咱 means "I", but it isn't as intuitive to an English speaker, I think. Perhaps it is Queen's English: We are not amused. 呵呵

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changye
June 30, 2010, 01:41 AM

I guess the "38 ways" includes ones used in dialects and ancient/written Chinese.

余,予,台,朕,寡人,吾,臣,仆,妾,窃,奴才,奴婢,小人,咱家,老子,鄙人 etc.

For the record, there are also lots of "I" in Japanese.

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xiaophil

Wait, do you mean your examples above are Chinese or Japanese?

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changye

They are all Chinese "I"s.

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xiaophil

Okay, got it. Thanks.

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changye
June 30, 2010, 03:13 AM

I've found the original post (?) of this topic. Here are 38 ways of saying "I" in Chinese.

我、俺、孤、愚、洒家、乃公、予、寡人、不肖、老子、不才、吾曹、奴才、小可、小生、仆、余、人家、老衲、晚生、杂家、鄙人、老朽、咱、贱下、臣、在下、 哀家、奴婢、某、依、吾、朕、老夫、小人、本人、吾济、敝人

http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_3faeb1e90100b69l.html

 

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trevorb

Nope, I just saw the above passage on Baidu's home page and wonderered. Looks like whoever wrote the blog thought the same but had the advantage of being chinese :-)

I's curious that not many show a meaning of I in chromes zhongwen (cdict?) suggesting most of these probably are not used in that way much.

Those of you that live in china, do you here any of these often or do you only ever hear 我 and 自己?

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zhenlijiang

Mmm many of the 38 are literary and/or archaic, many are regional (of those many are well known enough), but they are all words in Chinese referring to "I". We will see some of the literary ones more frequently used than others; wish I could be more specific but am not knowledgeable enough to say which ones.

I agree with Xiaophil about 自己 (note it isn't in the list of 38 Changye found for us); that would be "self", not "I". 你自己 = yourself

To rephrase your question I guess at this point I'd like to know, other than 我, which of the 38 are the more currently frequently used/seen ones. Not many, certainly.

BTW, not sure what you meant by "Nope"?

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changye

Hi trevorb

To be honest, I don't understand what you mean by "I just saw the above passage on Baidu's home page". Would you please show me the link?

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trevorb
June 30, 2010, 08:24 PM

So reversing this I can only think of 5 in english

I, myself, one, me, we (as in the royal we)

and of those only three that I would/have ever used.  so anyone got any more  :-)

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changye
July 01, 2010, 03:32 AM

The personal pronoun “我” (wo3, I) has a very long history. You can find it in oracle bone scripts (甲骨文) that were used more than three thousand years ago.