Qing Wen - Hate is a Very Strong Word

我觉得很幸运，我没有恨的人。

How would one translate that sentence? I can't figure out if it means I count myself fortunate. Nobody hates me. or I count myself fortunate. I am not a person that hate others (or hate things/matters in general).

@dunderklumpen

我是幸运儿， 没有人恨我！ 

I'm a lucky guy, no-one hates me!

Hi dunderklumpen

我觉得很幸运，我没有（我）恨的人。
我觉得很幸运，世上没有恨我的人。

I have made a character-based dictionary of all Newbie and Elementary vocabulary. I have it in Word and PDF form. I would like to share it here, but I don't know how. Could someone make a suggestion.

(I don't have a website, and have no idea how to set one up.)

Hi raygo

Ha, I had never heard of that song! Very interesting. Actually the "fear/love" thing was something that my mom said to me a long time ago. I'm not sure where she got the idea, or if she came up with it herself.

Hi henning

嫌 is close to the English "to be bothered by (some negative adjective.)” So you can say something like 我嫌这件衣服贵 or 他嫌这道菜太淡 etc. It's not as strong as "to hate."

Hi go_manly

It would be best to put it in a Google Doc and then share the link with everyone-- you could start your own conversation on the "Community Page" where you announce it.

Thank you for putting in the time to compile that list.

bodawei, changye

我觉得幸运，we can discuss a matter that I have been thinking about :)

没有人恨我 Is no person hate me (No one hates me)

没有恨我的人 Is no hate me kind of person (No one hates me)

If I got things right both of the sentences above have the same meaning. Does that mean we don't need to use 的 all the time? Sometimes sentences become long when I try to force 的 into them.

比如说：

有一个小朋友生病了,...  There was a kid who became ill...
有一个（是？）生病的小朋友,...

Are those sentences okay? Do they have the same meaning?

Changye 我来翻译你写的试一试：
我觉得很幸运，我没有（我）恨的人。 ...I don't hate anyone.
我觉得很幸运，世上没有恨我的人。 ...No-one has ever hated me.

对不对？

Pete

I tried Google Docs. I've uploaded my PDF. But I can't figure out how to share it without inviting people. It seems that PDFs can only be viewed by invitation. And my Word version is too big. It is 630M, and Google Docs only allows 500M for Word files. I don't really understand the internet/web pages/etc., and how they work. So could you give me a bit more direction?

I've tried another site. Let's see if this works.

My Newbie and Elementary Character dictionary is hopefully here

Yes! It works - you have to click 'Download Now' when you get there.

Sounds to me like you just need to select Share and then select 'publish as web page'. You can also opt to automatically republish the document if you change it.

Once its been 'published', it will have its own unique web address which you can safely share with anyone.

PS. Your link above doesn't seem to be working.

raygo

I tried the link, and its working for me.

When you get there, you click the blue 'Download Now' button.

You are redirected to another page, and after enduring a 10 second countdown (because you and I are not premium members), a link appears where the countdown was previously taking place titled "Click here to download this file".

When you do click, the usual window pops up, asking whether you want to Save or Open.

Ah, I see, it's just blocked if you're in China (as I am). Poddies in China will need to access it in a different way.

I still think it might be best to try and turn it into a web page.

raygo

The 'different way' you linked to:  Is that a way for you in China to access it, or a way for me to allow you access to it? I didn't really understand what I was seeing.

It's a way for me (and others) in China to access it, don't worry. (There are many websites which are blocked by censors in China, your chosen file hosting site seems to be one of them!)

@dunderklumpen,

I meant 'I feel fortunate that I don't hate anyone.' 我没有恨的人 means 'there is no one that I hate.'  I feel 'blessed' because hatred is not a pleasant sentiment and that no one has done anything to hurt me and lead me to hate them.

Hi dunderklumpen

(A) 我没有（我）恨的人。 ...I don't hate anyone.
(B) 世上没有恨我的人。 ...No one hates me in this world.
(C) 世上没有人恨我。....No one hates me in this world.

(D) 有一个小朋友生病了。...There is a kid who got ill.
(E) 有一个生病的小朋友。...There is a kid who got ill.

Jenny,

谢谢给我解释了! 那么我也觉得fortunate，我也没有恨的人。^_^

Changye,

Thanks! I guess (D) is topic-comment structure and (E) is, well, I don't know what it's called, but it's different from topic-comment.

hi go_manly

I've downloaded your dictionary...very nicely done, thanks for sharing.

may I say that these qing wen lessons are extremely useful, for all the niggly bits and pieces that make up a language.

thanks a lot guys!

@pete

'I really can't stand recharging my balance'

没问题。 我问老板，‘麻烦你, 我不会充值。给你钱以后可以帮助我？‘I assume that is bad enough to demonstrate that I really need help.

After six months in China I finally got someone to help me with ringing up for my balance.  I was always put off by this long discussion I didn't understand, until someone explained that it is just an advertisement for the new plans on offer.  Now I tune out for the advertisement and patiently wait for my message about the balance remaining.  I guess the challenge now is to get to understand the ads.  If it is like Australia the plans are in a constant state of flux.

Hi dunderklumpen

(D) 有一个小朋友生病了。...There is a kid who got ill.

Ummm, I don't think this has a topic-comment structure. Please see it this way, 有一个小朋友(who)生病了. You often see this kind of structures, for example, 今天我没事干 or 有很多人讨厌我.

Could someone please tell me what cilantro is. I have never heard that word here in Australia.

go_manly

its a green leafy spice used a lot in Mexican food. (and elsewhere too obviously)

Think salsa. baba mentioned that it is "coriander."  Coriander is the seed, and the leaves are referred to as "coriander leaves" or "cilantro". Cilantro is the Spanish name for the plant.

@go_manly,

Extending rjberki's response, cilantro is used in many Asian dishes as well. Thai green curry uses the roots, stems and leaves. Indian chaat often uses coriander (seed) for flavoring and cilantro (leaf) for garnish. And while salsa often has cilantro, it's ceviche (the fish "cooked" in acid such as lime juice) or reciato that really brings cilantro to mind. If you can find a Mexican grocery, pick up a bottle of Goya brand Reciato and experiment.

BTW: Nice PDF! 

go_manly: thanks for creating and sharing that dictionary!

in fact, it is something i've been meaning to ask CPod to consider: add to the vocabulary manager a function that lists all words using a given character.

i don't know if the current data structure allows to do this easily. a quick and dirty way would be adding to each word tags for the characters it contains. that way, when going through the vocab list, one can simply click on the tag to get all the other words using that character that one has studied.  ideally, one would be able to do the same from the flaschards application.

i guess i should add a proposal on this in the "uservoice" forum.

Changye, 知道了!

Pete,
thank you! Very helpful explanation!

Interestingly the French word for "hate" (noun) is la haine, quite similar to 恨 hèn, maybe some words / expressions are universal?

I try to look for connections between different languages (so it is easier to remember things), so if anyone else knows examples I love to hear them :-)

go_manly,

I find your pdf file very helpful. It must have been a lot of work.

 致谢

@go_manly

just downloaded your vocab list. Looks very helpful. Thanks for posting!

General Question:

I wonder if someone could give me an example of how 撒娇 might be used in a sentence? 谢谢！

Hehehe.. I got away with the cell-phone recharge rather lightly everytime I had to. I just walked into a proper ChinaMobile store and feigned ignorance and had them recharge it for me over the "business customer" counter.. hehehehe... Tourist: 1, ChinaMobile: 0. :)

@go_manly,

Great work on the PDF! This is such a wonderful community.

@songyian,

Before giving an example sentence, I think it's helpful to explain typical behaviours of 撒娇. In a nutshell, it involves act,talk and whine in a sweet and cute fashion (in order to get the person say yes to your demands or dote on you.) For example, 孩子一撒娇，父母就什么都答应了./As soon as the kid 撒娇，parents cave in to their demands.

@go_manly

Amazing PDF file.  Thank you.  Thank you.

I wish I could think of something to 讨厌 in this post but I am so overwhelmed with appreciation for the PDF and also for the Qing Wen team for continuing to bring us great lessons. 

有的时候，我那么懒惰，就讨厌自己。

我讨厌撒娇的人，因为我喜欢女人，不喜欢小女孩。

Interesting to note the phrase "kiss up". I have never heard it before. In Australia it is "suck up" , but I tend to like the word "obsequious".

Go_manly

I am in USA,Where is the link to you Vocab list? thank you, Young

go_manly,

Thanks heaps for generously sharing your dictionary of the newbie and ellie vocab which I just downloaded without any problems.This will be so useful.Part of the problem with knowing when to leave Newbie behind for example is not knowing how much one might be missing.At this stage it seems to be diminishing returns for me at newbie level and I suppose it will all end up turning up in higher lessons somewhere,but it's nice to know you haven't missed anything basic.For example take the colours.Red,black and white all seem to turn up heaps of times,and I've seen yellow,blue and green turn up ,but when will brown or purple? Thanks again mate.

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在我见一个人第一面时，我可能讨厌一个人

但我不会恨他。恨包含有很多的情感纠葛

haha5588说得太好了,已得汉语精髓

@user1283

Just scan half way up the board (two days ago) and you will find go_manly's link. 

@go-manly

I didn't think I'd ever TALK to a Manly supporter in a civilized way,  :-)

but thanks for posting your PDF - v. good work. 

Go Raiders!

Haha.. the guy who sits next to me at work is a Manly supporter and we always give him a hard time about it.. :) (For those not in Australia: Manly is a Rugby League "football" team based in Sydney.)

Manly 19   Bulldogs 12

We're on our way back!

我很讨厌"请问"的背景音乐!

＠ｇｏ＿ｍａｎｌｙ

Ｃａｎｂｅｒｒａ　３４　Ｇｏｌｄ　Ｃｏａｓｔ　２８

Ｗｅ　ｊｕｓｔ　ｄｏｎ＇ｔ　ｗａｎｔ　ｔｏ　ｆｉｎｉｓｈ　ｌａｓｔ！

谢谢 go_manly， the dictionary looks great. It must have been a lot of work!

一第听我也不知道 Cilantro有什么意思。我的词典也翻译 cilantro as coriander probably because the leaves are more commonly used in Australia. 很讨厌! 这个事情同 courgette = zucchini as  zucchini are a type of courgette, but you rarely hear courgette used in Australia, at least where I live :) 我觉得不懂很讨厌的事情，特别如果我不懂我的语。

Pete 我觉得你的"爱/怕"很有意思。这个世界有很多怕。我不知道如果我觉得同，但是还很有意思。我也觉得哭来不可能 express 情感，不来只 sadness /高兴. This would also explain why babies cry a lot, because they can't express themselves with words. Just my thoughts anyway :)

再很好课，谢谢!

我也爱请问。多谢！

@Pete

”Broad Statement” pun intended or not? ;) also. . .

Thank you for all the literal translations and background history of 词 和 字

I agree with what Pete heard regarding that "hate" is really a form of "fear". I personally believe this because I had to learn the hard way.

Jenny and Pete,

哈哈，如果你们讨厌手机充值的时候输那么多数字，那就辛苦一点去营业厅充值吧！不过，还有一个方法更方便，你可以开通手机绑定银行卡业务嘛，我现在就用这个业务，非常方便，只要输入业务密码和充值金额就好！^_^

I am curious about this 撒娇 sa1jiao1 business - is it like the whole "love/hate" thing that you can have with people, or is a different concept to that?

@sebire,

撒娇 is not a 'love/hate' relationship. It's more a personality or a tactic that women and children often use to get attention, doting and get what they want. The typical behavior of 撒娇 is to act cutesy or whiny.