question about jiu.....ye

pretzellogic
December 11, 2010, 04:08 AM posted in General Discussion

Hi Grace,

I have a follow up question from our call last night.  You gave me the jiu...ye.... pattern, and I am confused.

wǒ jiùshì tōngxiāo yě zuòbùwán. (Even overnight, still not finished)

shouldn't there be a gōngzuò in the sentence?  So it should read,

wǒ jiùshì tōngxiāo gōngzuò yě zuòbùwán. (Even working overnight, still not finished)

Thanks,

Fred

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grace_counselor
December 13, 2010, 05:31 AM

Hi Fred,

You're right. But since both of the speaker and the listener know the context in the dialogue, so they don't need to repeat it again. 

Both of the two sentences are correct:

wǒ jiùshì tōngxiāo yě zuòbùwán. 

wǒ jiùshì tōngxiāo gōngzuò yě zuòbùwán. 

Best,

Grace

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pretzellogic
December 15, 2010, 03:08 AM

So what is the basic sentence pattern:

rúguǒ Subject + jiùshì + V + O, yě + V + O?

wǒ jiùshì tōngxiāo gōngzuò yě zuòbùwán. (I worked all night, also not be able to finish)

If I practiced all day, I still wouldn't be able to play this song tonight. (rúguo wǒ jiùshì chéntiān liànxì, yěwánshàngzhè ge gē hǎi méitán.)

If he eats cake all day, he still wouldn't be able to finish it. (Rúguǒ tā jiùshì chéntiān chī dàndgāo, tā yě chībuwán.)

If I start writing now, I still can't finish a novel tonight. (rúguǒ xiànzài kāi xié, wǒxiǎoshuōyě xié buwán.)

If I start making the cabinet now, I still cannot finish it this week. (rúguǒ xiànzài kāi zuò guìzi, zhè ge xīngxī yě zuò bu wán.)

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grace_counselor
December 15, 2010, 05:41 AM

你好 Fred,

 

The basic sentence pattern should be:

Subject + jiùshì + V + O, yě + V + O.(We don't need "rúguǒ" in this pattern, because "jiùshì" here means "even".)

wǒ jiùshì tōngxiāo gōngzuò yě zuòbùwán. (I worked all night, also not be able to finish)

Even I practiced all day, I still wouldn't be able to play this song tonight. (wǒ jiùshì  liànxì yīzhěngtiān, wánshàng háishì bùhuì tán zhè ge gē.)

Even he eats cake all day, he still wouldn't be able to finish it. (zhègè dàngāo tā jiùshì chī yīzhěngtiān, tā yě chībuwán.)

Even I start writing now, I still can't finish a novel tonight. (Jiùshì xiànzài kāishǐ xiě, wǒ jīntiān wǎnshàng háishì xié buwán yīgè xiǎoshuō.)

Even I start making the cabinet now, I still cannot finish it this week. (Jiùshì xiànzài kāishǐ zuò guìzi, zhè ge xīngxī yě zuò bu wán.)

Hope it helps.

Grace

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pretzellogic

Hi Grace,

I noticed that you made some changes, but does that mean that I was wrong? I see that where you put yi1zheng3tian1 in bold, I assume that means I used the wrong word, correct? Thanks.

Fred