Need help with pinyin for the Passover 4 questions
meir
May 21, 2014, 04:55 AM posted in I Have a QuestionHere is the Passover 4 questions in the book "300 Ways to Ask the 4 Questions". The main reason I got it was to get it in Chinese. Unfortunately, though it has the characters they used a loose transliteration instead of using pinyin.
If anyone could help me break it down into proper pinyin I would be very greatful. I photocopied it so it would lie flat and then scanned it. I can try scanning it directly from the book if this isn't clear enough. Anyway, I have attached it as a file below or at least attempted to (1st time I am trying the attachment option). ; )
bababardwan
反正，luckily I managed to retrieve them:
I'd be happy to try and help if you could post a picture of the characters.
April 8, 2014 from Web.
bababardwan says
I guess this is the book?:
http://whyisthisnight.com/
April 8, 2014 from Web.
bababardwan says
This site has the pinyin for the introductory question:
http://www.angelfire.com/pa2/passover/faq/four-questions.html
...which it gives as:
Chinese: Wei Shenmer Zher gar Yewan yu: chi: ta yewan bu: tong?
...but I think the pinyin is slightly erroneous. I would render it as:
Weishenme zhege yewan yu qita yewan butong
..in Characters that is:
为什么这个夜晚与其他夜晚不同？
April 8, 2014 from Web.
bababardwan says
ok, found this for you:
http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%98%AF%E4%BB%80%E4%B9%88%E8%AE%A9
...I can pinyinise them if you want
April 8, 2014 from Web. bababardwan in reply to bababardwan
Introductory question:
是什么让这个夜晚的所有[其他]夜有什么不同？
Shì shénme ràng zhège yèwǎn de suǒyǒu [qítā] yè yǒu shé me bùtóng?
April 9, 2014 from Web. bababardwan in reply to bababardwan
1. 在所有晚我们吃酵饼或无酵饼，和在这个夜晚只有无酵饼
Zài suǒyǒu wǎn wǒmen chī jiào bǐng huò wú jiào bǐng, hé zài zhège yèwǎn zhǐyǒu wú jiào bǐng
April 9, 2014 from Web. bababardwan in reply to bababardwan
2. 在所有晚，我们吃任何种类的蔬菜并在此夜苦菜！
Zài suǒyǒu wǎn, wǒmen chī rènhé zhǒnglèi de shūcài bìng zài cǐ yè kǔ cài!
April 9, 2014 from Web. bababardwan in reply to bababardwan
3. 对所有的夜晚，我们一次也不用浸在这个夜晚，我们这样做两次！
Duì suǒyǒu de yèwǎn, wǒmen yīcì yě bùyòng jìn zài zhège yèwǎn, wǒmen zhèyàng zuò liǎng cì!
April 9, 2014 from Web. bababardwan in reply to bababardwan
4. 对所有的夜晚，我们吃坐在直立或卧，并在这个夜晚我们都躺！
Duì suǒyǒu de yèwǎn, wǒmen chī zuò zài zhílì huò wò, bìng zài zhège yèwǎn wǒmen dōu tǎng!
April 9, 2014 from Web.
bababardwan says
meir mate, I hope that helps. If you need help with translation, or want to post a picture of the 4 questions in Chinese from your book, or need help with anything else, don't hesitate to ask. שָׁלוֹם
April 9, 2014 from Web.
bababardwan says
btw, I'm interested to know if you live in China and if so where. How are you planning to spend Monday? Anyhow, 祝你和你的家人逾越节快乐 חַג כָשֵׁר וְשָׂמֵחַ
April 9, 2014 from Web.
meir says
Thanks so much Bababardwan. Sorry I missed your reply. I am not living in China (though I wish I was!). I will try to upload a picture of the page from the book and perhaps that will help. I saw yet another version and wound up using that since it had pinyin as well (the book one is just a loose transliteration).
5 hours ago from Web.
meir says
and to answer your previous question, yes that is the book I was talking about.
4 hours ago from Web.
meir says
I tried pasting in a scanned image of the page but it seems it is too large : (
4 hours ago from Web.
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mikeinewshot
May 21, 2014, 07:06 AMHow about this:
Wèi shèn me jīn wǎn yú qí tā de yè wǎn bù tóng ?
Zài qí tā de yè wǎn wǒ men chī fā jiào de miàn bāo huò zhe jiāo bǐng ;jīn wǎn wǒ men chī wú jiāo bǐng .
Zài qí tā de yè wǎn wǒ men chī gè zhǒng gè yàng de xiāng liào ; jīn wǎn wǒ men zhǐ chī kǔ wèi cǎo .
Zài qí tā de yè wǎn wǒ men shèn me dōu bù zhān ; jīn wǎn wǒ men zhān liǎng cì .
Zài qí tā de yè wǎn wǒ men zhí zuò zhe huò zhe xié kào zhe jìn cān ; jīn wǎn wǒ men zhǐ xié kào zhe jìn cān .
Zài qí tā de yè wǎn wǒ men yǐ pǔ tōng de xíng shì chī fàn ; jīn wǎn wǒ men yǐ tè shū de yí shì jìn cān .
meir
May 29, 2014, 05:15 AMBababardwan,
Sorry to do a new post but the reason I did is for some strange reason it doesn't seem to allow me to put an attachment in a reply , only in a new thread.
I am able to open up the pdf if I use Adobe Reader. Are you using a different PDF reader by any chance?
Also, thanks Mikeinewshot, that is what I was trying to do, get the pinyin for the page I posted. Were you able to open the pdf?
I don't see any way to put an attachment in an ongoing thread so I am afraid that to post it again I will have to open yet another thread. I will just call it Need help with the Pinyin with the Passover 4 questions part 2. If it lets me I will put in both the original text and the transliteration they have on a separate page. Instead of photocopying I will do this one straight from the book and you will see why it was so hard for a beginner like me to read. : (
mikeinewshot
I had no problem opening the pdf
meir
Did you see my part 2 , Mike and the transliteration? With an attempt to upload a clearer copy does it still match your pinyin that you posted?
mikeinewshot
Sorry I don't know what you mean by 'part 2'. My pinyin matches what I can see in the pdf above.
mikeinewshot
Sorry, actually there are a couple of slight discrepancies. I have written ' huò zhe' sometimes instead of ' huò' - both mean 'or'. So if you match character by character you will see where I have put in an extra 'zhe' or two
mikeinewshot
I have now seen your other post and your second part with so called pinyin. The pinyin is simply wrong. It is written by someone who does not know pinyin properly.
Perhaps they were trying to make it accessible to people who don't know pinyin. The slight issue with pinyin for English speakers is that if you don't know otherwise you will pronounce some of it wrongly as you will make wrong assumptions
meir
Yes, that was the problem Mike . It isn't really pinyin so it was useless to me. I can understand if they want to make a language like Chinese accessible to people who have never learned anything about it but the book would have been much better if they had put real pinyin in and then below that, perhaps put in a loose transliteration.
bababardwan
May 21, 2014, 06:35 AMHi Meir,
What happened to the replies I posted to you? I'm wondering if you have reposted your initial post thus wiping out my replies.
Secondly, I have just tried to open the pdf you have attached but it won't open for me.