Beginning to Read in Chinese: 小红帽 and Other Fairytales
lunetta
March 19, 2008, 10:51 AM posted in General DiscussionI'm a very visual language learner and reading, reading and yet more reading has always been my preferred method to expand my vocabulary and reinforce my feeling for the structure of the language in question. When I started studying Chinese I quickly found out that was not the way to do it and if I hadn't found CPod I would probably never have gotten as far as I am today. Right now I'm in my third month of listening to the intermediate lessons and while I'm far from being able to speak at that level or even understanding everything, I've still managed to pick up quite a few characters.
Realising this I decided to have a look at the local library's selection of books in mandarin and began ordering different children's books. Much to my surprise I discovered that I'm able to get the gist of most texts and that I'm sometimes able to read large chunks without even using a dictionary. Being able to read the following dialogue has been a great triumph! :-)
“哎,奶奶,”她叫道,“你的耳朵怎么这样大呢?”
“为了更好地听你说话呀,乖乖。”
“可是奶奶,你的眼睛怎么这样大呢?”小红帽又问。
“为了更清楚地看你呀,乖乖。”
“奶奶,你的手怎么这样大呀?”
“可以更好地抱着你呀。”
“奶奶,你的嘴巴怎么大得很吓人呀? ”
“可以一口把你吃掉呀!”
Of course getting to really understand the whole text still takes a lot of work using the dictionary but with these books the number of unknown characters is manageable and the phrases are pretty straight forward to parse. In the end I find it's really worth the effort. Not only am I testing my character recognizing skills, I'm also getting a better understanding of many things I've already met in the podcasts. The use of 的, 得 and 地 has become a lot clearer and I'm beginning to understand the difference between using 着 and 在, just to mention a few examples.
The books I've been using are illustrated collections of fairytales and fables directed at children from the age of 5 and up. They sometimes come with a CD or DVD where the text is being read but i haven't been using them very much because they usually don't work having passed through too many hands. The one I'm currently reading is 影响孩子一生的童话 by 孙艳秋. (ISBN 7-104-01977-4)
What about you guys? Are you reading, and if so, what? What has become clearer to you because of reading?furyougaijin
March 19, 2008, 12:29 PMThe news from creaders.net and sina.com.cn and the like - the ones with pictures, predominantly (yes, I'm that shallow). Because one has to. Some chick lit in the style of 'Shanghai Baby'. Because it's easy. A book on 日露戦争(日俄戰爭) I picked up in DongBei's Port Arthur last year. Because I'm deeply interested in the subject matter. Back to the media, in fact, I am changing my tactics and forcing myself to read everything on my news feed. There are several reasons for that, namely: - To break the (still existing!!!) psychological barrier to back off when I see a Chinese text. - To learn to scan Chinese texts and get the gist out of them as I would when reading in other languages. That's why news items are so good: they are short and generally to the point; also not being deeply interested in most subjects, I don't have to get EVERY single word and even every single sentence. I keep looking up things but the main goal is not to squeeze out all the vocab but to gain fluency in reading. That includes jumping over the hard bits to move on in the article. And the rest of the article may well contain the info to clarify the hard bits. So I am seeking for a lot of exposure with minimal vocab look-up, trying to guess as much as I can from the character meanings and the context. (Which I find very doable at this stage, having completed my 6,000 character challenge...:-) ) - To get exposure to all sorts of topics - from international politics to celebrity gossip and popular science. This ensures a constant stream of new vocab and allows me to practice all those funny characters I've learnt... In other words, I heartily recommend reading the news to anyone on any level.
henning
March 19, 2008, 12:36 PMfuryougaijin, we follow opposing tactics here I guess: I look up all the time, even though it slows me down significantly. Whenever I am not really 100% certain what a word means or how a character is pronounced I look it up. In my experience inferring from context is risky business - for me way too often the inferred meaning was totally wrong. Not only in Chinese. Also in English.
tvan
March 19, 2008, 01:11 PMI also mostly read the news, but in a Chinese newspaper with a North American focus. I try to find a topic that I know and stick with it; after the first article I can usually understand the characters and, because it covers a familiar topic, the meaning can be "reverse-engineered. I think that's one reason why the above fairy tale works; you already know the story.
lunetta
March 20, 2008, 10:10 AMI've tried reading news in Chinese but I find it very difficult, probably because I simply just don't know enough characters. It becomes too frustrating and then the different news websites are really scary, too. They're packed with information and I just don't know how to navigate them. The only one that doesn't make me run away screaming is Dave's News in Chinese because I can actually figure out what's going on. (That is, I'm able to find the entertainment section...) When I read a text I always try to do it without a dictionary first. If it's a fairytale or something else where I know the story well, I find it's not impossible to infer the meaning of a character even though it's the first time I meet it. Then I always check with a dictionary later to make sure and to get the pronunciation. If you can infer the meaning it makes it easier to look it up, for example in the story about Little Red Ridinghood I figured out that 姑娘 means girl and 猎人 means hunter without knowing the Chinese pronunciation and just looked up 'girl' and 'hunter' in my dictionary. That's a bit easier and faster than first identifying the radical and then counting strokes etc.
nevermind
March 20, 2008, 03:41 PMI absolutely love the dictionary Babylon. It's perfect for reading Chinese texts online, simply right-click on the word and a little window with several translations, compounds, and pinyin pops up. I'm sure there are other dictionaries like that available. It really comes in handy when reading longer texts, saving valuable time.
tvan
March 20, 2008, 06:01 PMRegarding online tools, but I believe they are both tools and crutches. They are tools because you aren't burdened with looking up 300 characters in a 400 character article/story; they are a crutch because that's not the way you actually read. Also, tedious as it is, I think some good old fashioned dictionary work is essential to learning Chinese. It's the best practice for discerning radicals and learning morphology. My next project for the past two years has been to memorize the radicals, so that I can use a dictionary like Chinese do.
furyougaijin
March 25, 2008, 04:04 PM@tvan: I agree with the 'crutches' definition and have actually banned all automatic look-up tools from my reading routine. However, regular on-line dictionaries do the job of providing the info without the tedious look-ups. And radical learning, in my opinion, is better done as a separate project (2-3 days should be enough :-))) ) than combined with actual reading. @henning: I do remember we discussed these approaches previously. It all comes down to one's character, I guess. To me, the speed and efficiency is vastly more important than the estimated 0.1% loss of info due to a possible misunderstanding that may occur with relying on context so much.
henning
March 19, 2008, 11:59 AMOnce in a while my 3 year old son comes with a Chinese book and orders me to read it to him. I sort of try to skim through the page and then tell it in German. Funny thing is, those books are 90% translations of German or British kids' books. Besides, I am following goulnik's 88news, although there is still a huge backlog (I have so far read through the 100 newest lessons - but there are about 205 lessons altogether). Also the Data Warehouse book is pretty cool. Whenever you know the content beforehand it gets a lot easier. I agree, reading really helps to let those sentence structures sink in. Kids' books are especially helpfull for getting a grip on complements.