Max and Leo's group discussion
mmcn
May 14, 2008, 03:16 AM posted in General Discussionhi Leo,
have been looking over our dialogue, a guys adivce on women, and it looks pretty interesting. ill give you a breif rundown of what i think is going on there:
Zhen Hua accuses his friend (zhang liang) of not fulfilling his duties as a friend. Zhang then goes onto explain that he has been having problems with his girlfriend (who Zhen refers to as his wife. i have been doing some reading on this and it appears that it is custom in china to call someone in a strong relationship husband and wife). anyay, then the friend, zhen hua asks what is happening, but here i get a bit lost and he usues the phrase 花心.
anyway, zhang liang then goes onto explain how his girlfriend, lili has met up with an ex boyfriend of hers and how he is an internet billionare, and gives some detials about his age and what is happening with his company.
zhen hua then tells zhang liang that he must be careful of the old boyfriend, and he even suggests that lili might cheat on zhang liang in the dark.
zhang liang thinks that this is nonsense, and says that the two of them are jsut friends.
zhen hua then goes onto ask zhang liang how does he know. after all it sounds as though the old boyfriend has alot going to for him, he drives a sports car, drinks red wine, and gives diamonds. he asks, how are we to compare with him?
zhang liang believes that lili is a person of good character, not like a normal girl. he believes that she is devoted to him and will not decieve him.
zhen hua says that he understand that lili is a good girl, but thinks that lixiang will try and chase her, because of her excellent character. he understands he because he is her ex.
zhang liang conceeds that because lili is such a good girl that many people like her. he even conceeds that sometimes he thinks that she is even too good for him. now he thinks that both lixiang and lili have feelings for each other because they are meeting up. no wonder she doesnt have time to meet with him, or come online to chat.
finally, zhen hua points out that zhang liang has come around and recognised what he has been saying. it is time to take action!
anwyay thats a translation i have done on the piece. have a read over the text yourself and tell me what you think, and we can work out what we are going to do with the piece.
what character was i again, a (zhen hua) or b (zhang liang)?
mmcn
May 15, 2008, 09:32 AMhi leo,
have been thinking about how we can perform our dialogue and think that it might be a good idea if the friend is all excited, i.e. person a (as when he speaks the dialogue he has heaps of energy) and person b (who is zhang liang) can sort of be depressed as he has just found out that his girlfriend might be interested in another guy.
have been thinking about who was who and i think that i was person B, as in zhang liang, and you were person A, as in the one who gives the advice, the friend.
you happy to go with that?
irenean
May 16, 2008, 03:38 AMHi Leo,
Where have you been these days?
Are you expecting me to have a conversatin with Max? smile!
lsar
May 16, 2008, 08:01 AMHey Max,
Ive been listening to the podcast of our dialogue and I really like it. I agree with your translation. I thought that the way we should act is that zhan hua is pretty relaxed looking but jokingly shows he is upset with zheng liang. after zheng liang tells him of the problem with lili i think he can be a bit more sympathetic yet still be a bit shallow in his sincerity. I refer to the line where he basically says what girl wouldnt what a guy who is rich, has a porsche and drinks wine. He's obviously very materialistic so buy making him that little less sincere than what he should be, then i think we will be right. With zheng liang, he's obviously really worried bout lili cos he has hasnt spoken to zhan hua in a long time. I think he needs to be looking really depressed and deep in thought.
Sorry it has taken so long, but that word you mentioned, hua xin, i know what it means [you dont want to know why], it means basically promiscuous. the chinese call guys who are promiscuous,playboys. its quite funny because there is an entire fashion brand of mens clothing called playboy and it has the playboy bunny ears. [i think zhan hua is the type of guy who would wear it]. anyway, when zhan hua says it, i think its obviously a joke so we should play it up a bit there.
I have listened to the two previous podcasts and i agree with your translation. I feel that his thoughts in our dialogue a little [if not a lot] over the top. I dont know how we could use that in our dialogue but its worth noting i think.
mmcn
May 15, 2008, 09:27 AMhi leo,
have just listen to the two lessons directly before our peice of the puzzle, that is An Old Flame and Love Letter. i think it is important that we listen the podcasts around ours to get an idea of what is happening in the scheme of things.
first is the Love Letter translation:
zhang liang gave a love letter to lili that was a little corny. he said stuff like your the only vitamin i need in my life, and that when he sees her he is full of excitement, all the bitterness goes away. lili says that she doesn't like hearing him talk like this, and when he admits he doesn't really know what to say, lili says the she likes his honestly. zhang liang is very happy because he thought that lili didn't like hearing is honestly at all! finally zhang liang says that she is the only one in his heart!
secondly An Old Flame:
it seems as though lili arrived at the meeting place where she was expecting to meet zhang liang, but instead met an old friend liu xiang. they had a good chat, and it was obvious that they haven't seen each other for a while, as lili didn't know that liu xiang now likes coffee. liu xiang is a successful businessman, and is quite busy, but both are happy to see each other again. liu xiang says he will call lili after his meeting. when zhang liang arrives he wonders who the male friend is and doesn't seem too impressed when he finds out the liu xiang is an old friend of lili's.
this is interesting as it definitely explains why in our dialogue, a guys advice on women, zhang liang is not happy about this new character liu xiang. although it is interesting that zhang liang does read into the situation more than he actually should have, and may be over protective and worrying too much in our dialogue about the situation.
after all, we dont even know if liu xiang is the ex-boyfriend, as was said to be in our dialogue.
i think that you should have a look at the two dialogues the follow ours, so that we have an understand of what happens in the end. this will give us a further idea if zhang liangs concerns are warranted