How to use 的？
xiaophil
August 17, 2009, 03:16 AM posted in General Discussion
Hi everybody,
A constant mystery for me is determining when 的 should be used, not used or is optional. I wrote a text message on my cell today that said, " 我 有意的免费的旅游的机会." Now, to me it seems clumsy to include so many 的s, but maybe I am wrong. Does anybody know any rules for determining when to use this little guy?
Thanks
sgn316g
August 17, 2009, 05:26 AM恩,我也能看懂繁體字. 我用的輸入法既能輸入簡體,也能輸入繁體. 你打字的時候用拼音法還是注音法?
orangina
August 17, 2009, 04:38 AMoh! also if the modifier is only one character you don't need 的。
xiaophil
August 17, 2009, 04:38 AMoragina
Perhaps, um, the problem is I forgot a character.
Should be: 我有外意的免费的旅游的机会.
I'm trying to say, "I have unexpectedly got an opportunity to travel for free."
How fun. We are commenting on each other's 的 posts.
athrun200
August 17, 2009, 04:41 AMI live in Hong Kong and use Chinese everyday. So let me tell you how to use 的.
His pen=他的筆
If you miss 的i.e. 他筆= He pen
Mary's lunch=Mary的午餐
So 的 can represent " 's "
Tom's = Tom 的
his= 他的
her=她的
It is the simple use of 的
by the way what do you mean 我 有意的免费的旅游的机会 in English? I can't get you meaning.
Can you say it in English and I help you to translate?
orangina
August 17, 2009, 04:44 AMI think I would inexpert的 say: 我有意外的机会旅游免费的。
Together, we will figure out 的。
sgn316g
August 17, 2009, 04:48 AM我意外的得到了一次免费旅游的机会.
athrun200
August 17, 2009, 04:51 AM"I have unexpectedly got an opportunity to travel for free."
我 想不到 我能有一個免費的旅遊機會
我= I
想不到= Can't imagine
我能= I can
有一個= have a
免費= Free
旅遊機會= chance of travel
So 免費的旅遊機會= travel for free
The的 of 免費的 is to emphasize it is a adjective
免費的旅遊 can be express as 旅遊是免費的(this travel is free)
Sometime 的is to emphasize it is adjective
e.g. XX的(xx can be anyword)
Then the word probably is a adjective
orangina
August 17, 2009, 04:32 AMI think the no 的 for close relationships only applies to people. But if you have a long string of modifiers you only need the 的 just before the noun... but using it between the modifiers is not wrong. But I am not entirely sure what your sentance means (probably says more about my skills than yours.) Can you give me the english?
sgn316g
August 17, 2009, 05:00 AM'意外地' 按语法规则来讲是副词. 修饰动词'得到'. 你的语法很好.呵呵.
sgn316g
August 17, 2009, 05:09 AM我来自上海, 您是香港人还是住在香港的外国朋友?
sgn316g
August 17, 2009, 05:19 AM会看就非常好了. 普通话在国内普及度越来越广. 想到内地投资发展,或者旅游. 学学普通话还是很好的. :)
orangina
August 17, 2009, 04:58 AMarthrun200
thanks! I didn't do too bad, could do better... that is a good place to be!
xiaophil
August 17, 2009, 04:19 AMOkay, I'll talk to myself for a minute.
I know that we don't need to place 的 between 我 and 妈妈. I have been told before it is because the 的 would imply a weaker relationship between the mother and I. Perhaps this is it: if a strong relationship has been established between modifier and noun, then the 的 becomes unnecessary. Right? Are there any other factors?