@ 魏
** 魏 has 鬼(gui) as phonetic, see 鬼 map
Maybe the phonetic part of “魏” is “委” (wei3), but not “鬼”, and “魏” itself is not a phonetic part. Actually it's not so easy to determine which is the phonetic part of 魏, 委 or 鬼. Consonantwise, I still think 委 is closer to 魏 than 鬼 is.
魏 ŋiwei > ŋiwei > wei > wei (wei)委 iwei > iwe > wi > wei (wei)鬼 kiwei > kiwei > kwei > kwei (gui)
maybe, may be not. I haven't done 委 (wei) yet, but it does seem extremely consistent.
since we don't know for sure and this is a learning aid rather than linguistic research, I will follow your advice and move them all to the 委 map.
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changye
December 06, 2008, 12:40 PMMaybe the phonetic part of “魏” is “委” (wei3), but not “鬼”, and “魏” itself is not a phonetic part. Actually it's not so easy to determine which is the phonetic part of 魏, 委 or 鬼. Consonantwise, I still think 委 is closer to 魏 than 鬼 is.
魏 ŋiwei > ŋiwei > wei > wei (wei)
委 iwei > iwe > wi > wei (wei)
鬼 kiwei > kiwei > kwei > kwei (gui)