The Language of the Future
Kyle
October 31, 2007, 02:32 AM posted in General DiscussionFor awhile now I've been thinking whether or not English will be "dethroned" by Mandarin as the international business language. Recently, many people have been keen on pushing the idea that Mandarin will be the new "must learn" language of the future. However, is this really the case?
Compare, for example, the number of westerners learning Mandarin versus Chinese learning English. English is mandatory in most (all?) schools in China. Also, that learning English allows one to communicate with just about everyone, since English is the most widely taught foreign language in the world, whereas learning Mandarin limits one to a specific geographical region.
Then, consider, what economic advantage there is to learning Mandarin. Regarding this point, I can really only claim sheer ignorance. However, I don't think it's irrational to assume that both Chinese and western companies would rather hire a local Chinese to translate/interpret over a westerner, simply because of the large difference in salary. In most cases, a local Chinese will work for about 1/4th of what a westerner will.
So, if any of what I've said actually holds any truth, what advantages are their (economically, job security, etc) in learning Mandarin? How will being fluent in Mandarin help us compete with others in the job market? If knowledge of Mandarin isn't enough, what other characteristics might make us attractable candidates for higher paying jobs?
pulosm
November 05, 2007, 12:32 AMI vote for Greek!!! Ελάτε να μιλήσουμε στα ελληνικά!!!
lavandez
October 31, 2007, 04:25 AMDon't get confused by the recent popularity of Mandarin. Chinese will increase in popularity and I personally love the language but it will take time for english to be dethroned. It's absolutely fantastic that Chinese is getting much more recognition then it did in the past but I don't think we can reasonably assume that English will be replaced.
wildyaks
October 31, 2007, 04:27 AMThere is no indication that Mandarin will dethrone English in the near or far future. But Mandarin will probably increase in importance. As did Japanese when it was the rising star in the world of economics.
lavandez
October 31, 2007, 04:40 AMExactly it's not about dethroning a language it's about getting as good as you can get in as many languages as possible.
Kyle
October 31, 2007, 04:47 AMIs having knowledge of a culture and fluency of a language really enough to get you into a high-powered job? Particularly in regards to China? There was a post sometime ago that made the point that knowledge of a language can sometimes be a career-limiting move. Considering that your knowledge of a culture and language makes you an asset, will taking on such a post give you put you in a position where chances of promotion and opportunity for growth are great, or merely set you slightly below the glass ceiling? Are you a leader or a pawn?
afaf
October 31, 2007, 04:53 AMIt will probably take a while before seeing any langauge replacing English as the lingua franca of the world. But i am really happy to see the increasing popularity and interest in learning new languages. For awhile in the Sstate, the students have only two choice of languages, Spanish and French. Now and little by littel, they have other choices like Mandarin, Arabic, Farsi. It is great. You know what they say, by the time we die we are only using 10% of our brain capacity, so it doesn't hurt to tease our brain a little more and learn a new language and culture.
TaiPan
October 31, 2007, 04:56 AMAccording to Ken Carroll and NBC news, 'Mandarin doesn't have a "proper" alphabet', which makes it dificult to dethrone anything.
henning
October 31, 2007, 07:55 AMTo truely reflect the realities of the muti cultural global society we actually need a new world language, an amalgam of best-practices. So why not build one based on... - the expressiveness of the Chinese writing system - the clarity of German grammar - the richness of Japanese culture - the melodicity of Mandarin (or better: Cantonese) tones - the efficiency of Guwen - the intriguing exceptions of English - and the gluttoral variety of Klingon ?
Kyle
October 31, 2007, 08:29 AMAh, and you, henning, can be the one to write the dictionary and teach us all! =)
wildyaks
October 31, 2007, 03:27 AMThe benefit of knowing Mandarin is not to be able to take posts that are more likely being given to native speakers, but to get jobs where an understanding of the language and culture is helpful, if not essential. If a firm has regular dealings with Chinese partners, has branch offices in China, etc., you might still work with interpreters. But to understand what is going on - between the lines - is just so useful. That's where Mandarin gains market value if you are looking for a high powered job.
wildyaks
October 31, 2007, 10:47 AMAnd aren't multinational companies more and more aware that to cut good business deals it is essential to know more than language, to understand cultural nuances, customs, ways of doing things or not doing things? Of course it takes more than "just knowing language and culture" to get a high-paid position. Depending on the job, other qualifications might rate higher. But if a company who does business with China has to choose between a highly qualified person with no Chinese and a highly qualified person with some or even good Chinese, I would go for the latter.
kimiik
October 31, 2007, 02:56 PM"Is English the language of the furur ?" "Is the Hummer the car of the futur ?" It's not the right questions to ask. The questions should be : In the world what will be the main use of English vocabulary ? (possible answer : Science) In the world what will be the main use of Chinese vocabulary? (possible answer : Business & Production) In the world what will be the main use of French vocabulary? (possible answer : Gastronomy) In the world what will be the main use of Spanish vocabulary? (possible answer : Entertainment) ...
MexicoBob
October 31, 2007, 03:56 PMIn Mexico there is a saying among American businessmen that if you are doing international business in Mexico and you find that you must talk in Spanish then you are dealing with the wrong people. It is unfortunate but it is true. I am sure that this holds true for China also. In my opinion, it is important to learn other languages in order to learn how other people think and what is important to them and also to enrich your own cultural experience. However, unless you are an expert in the Chinese language like John Pasden, Serge Melnyk, or DaShan it is better to deal through a bilingual native whom you trust. I don't think English will be supplanted anytime soon. It is not only the international standard for communication but it is also a status symbol. It is the key to being recognized as an international peer.
man2toe
October 31, 2007, 04:26 PMInteresting topic. Isn't the language of the future determined by the language any given individual knows? Ya, that question really doesn't encompass the whole topic but helps us remember every language has its place. Knowing Mandarin and English should allow a person positive opportunities as opposed to limited possibilities. A thought that I throw out might be what is not the language approach of the future, a mono-linguistic approach.
mongo
November 01, 2007, 02:53 AMactually, I think its a bit unfair to only speak English... everybody understands you, but you can't understand them! :-) its bit like being some type of fool who dances and sings on a stage except with a blind fold over your eyes...you like to think those tomatoes that they throwing at your are roses! but, how would you really know? So I think the point is not for everybody to know this language or that language.... its to know when to duck when somebody is throwing a tomatoes at you... :-)
man2toe
November 01, 2007, 05:07 AM笨 Ben4Toe wrote: ”A thought that I throw out might be what is not the language approach of the future, a mono-linguistic approach.” How's that for a proper English sentence? Argh. A thought. A language approach that might be wise to avoid is the mono-linguistic approach. Does that make any sense? Funny considerations there Mongo.
tangmoo
November 01, 2007, 02:13 PMFace facts.. unless someone totally rewrites HTML and every single web-page out there is recoded to chinese..then we are stuck with english. Databases, applications are all written in english.. except for SAP (German). So in the technical world, english is here to stay. Given that most of the top10 'business schools' are in English speaking countries, it makes sense to say that business english is also likely to remain on top for a long while yet.
bento
November 04, 2007, 11:59 PMHenning What do you mean by "- the clarity of German grammar" That's a myth!!! plural forms in German are a mess! tenses have overlapping forms", and verbal prefixes are too complex, though useful. what about other emerging economies' languages? Russian does sound good, melifluous sometimes, and its literature is amazing, but nowhere in Brazil do I see people learning it. I like to listen India's music, but the only word I know in Hindi is Maharatma. Portuguese has no future, it is too much like Spanish, which is already spreading around the world. I don't get why Spanish would become the language of entertainment. Entertainment is precisely Englishs most valueable asset. Hollywood has set English as the language of the movies, of tv shows. The only serious contender is Hindi. Bollywood movies are popular in Africa, they could gain viewers in other countries.
goulnik
October 31, 2007, 09:39 AMet le français alors, no French?! new, truly cosmopolitan version of Esperanto then... I do agree that it's not a question of language dominance, but learning Chinese might still have benefits in a professional environment. Why would we only think in terms of English speakers getting high-paid jobs in China, mainly for multinational companies? What about Chinese companies that will undoubtedly be investing in Western (or other Asian) countries, where the locals they'll be recruiting are ... us? In this context, I can see value in such jobs to speaking *some* Chinese and getting to know the culture beyond fengshui and HK movies.
stephenpaulreeves
October 31, 2007, 03:00 AMIn English speaking countries surely many firms would prefer (or indeed have to) hire a citizen of that country. In sectors such as law local knowledge is key - therefore a native citizen is essential. Also in many sectors there are immigration controls which mean a citizen of that country has to get the job. In that context, if a company wants to do a lot of business with China will they not seriously value someone in their firm who can communicate with their business associates without having to rely on the others English ability.