All time favourite Kung Fu Movie

bababardwan
November 12, 2010 at 12:04 PM posted in General Discussion

What is your all time favourite Kung Fu movie and why? I really love a few of the recent Kung Fu movies, but somehow I would find it hard to go past Enter the Dragon, just for Bruce Lee's amazing presence, and some great lines. It was so much more than just the action. He had the whole mental game. I thought Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon was also special in a different way.

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RJ
November 12, 2010 at 06:08 PM

Baba,

I just watched IP Man. Excellent. It may not be for everyone, but I know you well enough to know that you will love this movie. Trust me on this one. Do it this weekend, you will be glad you did. IP2 is now on my must see list.

Xiao Liang - IP man - "the legend is born" is #3. So you saw 2 and 3?

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bababardwan
December 20, 2010 at 09:23 AM

I think it's definitely wisest to use capitals for Kung Fu regardless of whether or not English dictates it. A covered fist and a slight bow of the head wouldn't go astray either.

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xiaophil
December 20, 2010 at 09:01 AM

Sorry to get in here late, but I watched IP Man a while back, and it was one of the first Kung Fu movies that I watched completely in Chinese and pretty much understood. I find that the language in Chinese Kung Fu movies is often very hard to follow, especially the older ones, which is funny because I usually think of action films as usually having simple dialogs (Rambo anyone?).

PS: why do I want to capitalize Kung Fu? Should this be a proper noun?

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bababardwan
December 20, 2010 at 12:49 AM

bodawei,

yeah mate that's the one, and no need to apologise, the more in the convo the merrier. Thanks for 家喻户晓。

I tried your link but it gave one of those 抱歉 messages

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bodawei
December 20, 2010 at 12:30 AM

Baba

Is this the 'ip man' film you've been talking about?? (Sorry to barge in on a subject I know little about.)

叶问2:宗师传奇 yewen2:zongshi zhuanqi (marvellous tales)

Features fighting between British world champion and Chinese ‘man of letters’ called Ye Shifu (Master Ye), starring 甄子丹Zhen1 Zi3dan1, billed as Western/Chinese boxing tournament. Also starring 洪金宝. “叶问”系列(series)的成功(successful),让甄子丹家喻户晓jia1yu4hu4xiao3(a household name)。新片扮演陈真再现经典。[详情] “叶问” Ye Wen was a real-life martial arts practitioner, master of Bruce Lee.

http://www.m1905.com/vod/349713.shtml

It's available here streaming on the Internet (or was when I watched it a few months ago.)

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bababardwan
December 19, 2010 at 11:21 PM

thanks again mate for bring up ip man the legend is born:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Legend_Is_Born_%E2%80%93_Ip_Man

I've just seen 1 and 2 and loved them. Yeah, what a shame there'll be no number 3. I see you didn't like legend is born as much and yeah, I think it would be a hard act to follow after the other 2 so am not expecting to like it as much either but I'd still like to see it, if for nothing else than to fill in the early part of the story.

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bababardwan
November 13, 2010 at 11:54 PM

yeah, kungpow enter the fist. Nah, didn't hear of tropic thunder, but thanks for your recommendation...

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RJ
November 13, 2010 at 10:54 PM

Ah, "Enter the fist". Never watched that one either. You never heard of tropic thunder? The movie in which Robert Downing jr plays a black man. The trailer was enough to keep me away.

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bababardwan
November 13, 2010 at 09:03 PM

yeah, that last one was Steve Oedekerk, a cool guy but he had no appreciation for my face to foot style so he just had to go I'm afraid.

Never seen or heard of Ben's tropical movie...guess I'm not as big a closet fan as you mate.

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RJ
November 13, 2010 at 03:25 PM

you mean I got one wrong? At quick glance it was stiller in that tropical movie - I thought. Actually the mary movie did have some good points.

ip is good even the second time. I love the portrayal of culture - business, social, man and wife- the Japanese. Its all good. All in Cantonese, a language I love to listen to. I love the Chinese rules for what it means to be a man, a good husband, a good person, a good citizen, its all there. There is also some lighter moments, the movie is a borderline comedy at times. Pretty hard on the Japanese but considering the context, it is appropriate.

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bababardwan
November 13, 2010 at 02:44 PM

I'm sure you know this, but that last avatar wasn't Ben Stiller. And wimp lo could never die. Yeah, set up the skype mate. But I've changed my mind...ip man can wait, I wanna see "there's something about Mary".

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RJ
November 13, 2010 at 02:38 PM

what do you mean what do I mean? I thought you liked puzzles.? Would you tell me what you meant? hehe - I mean you could die one day and be stuck as Ben Stiller forever, and I wouldn't be caught dead ,as they say, as that guy. There are not even words to express how much I dislike his work. Meet this. Thats all I have to say to him. Anyway we are getting off topic here. Im getting ready to re-watch ipman (I have it for 48 hours). Should I set up the skype? No guarantees on the quality and you have to bring your own popcorn.

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bababardwan
November 13, 2010 at 02:23 PM

"nearest movie box"

..saw one of those for the first time just the other day. Not sure how new they are to Australia [anyone know? ..of course these things may hit Sydney or Melbourne first] but maybe I just don't get out enough, hehe. Yeah, we still have plenty of video stores here. For some time I've felt their days must be numbered. Hey skype sounds like fun. I hope you don't mind frequent rewinding for anything I might miss over skype, hehe.

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RJ
November 13, 2010 at 02:07 PM

I dont know baba, itunes is weird. It even says, movies are available in select countries. Im sure you will get it eventually but in the mean time run down to the nearest movie box. Do you have those? Video stores are dying here - not needed anymore. But we do have those little vending machines that sell movies. I could call you on skype, aim the camera at my tv and play the movie. there's always a way. Work the problem.

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bababardwan
November 13, 2010 at 01:56 PM

In Australia arent all just about all movies foreign?

..yeah, I'd say the majority are American. Probably next most common being British and then Aussie, though that's just an impression and I don't have any figures to back that up. Our foreign category I think generally refers to Foreign Language.

"You know there is a life time limit on those things. You may run out at a bad time. "

..watcha mean?

I don't know how to access the same itunes as you. Any tips? I can't find ipman on my version of itunes.

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RJ
November 13, 2010 at 01:47 PM

foreign category? In Australia arent all just about all movies foreign? Hey Im sure you can access the same server for itunes as me. Go to movies, search ipman - there is only one. And please stop changing that avatar. I feel like Im talking to Sybil although thank God you got rid of that last one. You know there is a life time limit on those things. You may run out at a bad time.

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bababardwan
November 13, 2010 at 01:39 AM

zao gao. While plenty comes up under an ip man search, it doesn't look like any of the movies do. In fact, if I click on the foreign category in general, only 23 movies come up. Very disappointing.

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bababardwan
November 13, 2010 at 01:34 AM

thanks mate. Hey, it looks like there's even an ip man iphone app. I guess you could call it the ip ip app for short.

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RJ
November 13, 2010 at 01:02 AM

You can rent it from i-tunes for $3.99 or buy it for 14.99. I ended up renting it from my cable service also for $3.99.

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bababardwan
November 13, 2010 at 12:37 AM

yeah, I'd really like to see it this weekend. I hope I have time and can find it. I've never ended up buying a movie on itunes, but I guess I can resort to that. How did that go? Anyhow, one way or another I'll definitely watch it.

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bababardwan
November 12, 2010 at 11:59 PM

yeah, thanks for clearing that up mate :)

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xiao_liang
November 12, 2010 at 11:47 PM

Nope! Still haven't seen the first one! Maybe it will be on the next flight to China... hehe

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RJ
November 12, 2010 at 11:13 PM

Got it. It is a bit confusing. So you haven't seen the first one.

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xiao_liang
November 12, 2010 at 09:05 PM

Yes, I know, but it's not the planned third film. It's separate (and features different story elements. E.g. Ip Man learns English). From Wikipedia:

Sequels

Ip Man is the first film in a planned trilogy. Donnie Yen reprised the lead role in the sequel Ip Man 2, the second feature film based on the life of Ip Man. The film focuses on Ip's movements in Hong Kong as he attempts to propagate his discipline of Wing Chun martial arts; it also focuses on a young Bruce Lee prior to becoming one of Ip's most famed disciples. Ip Man 2 was released theatrically in Hong Kong in late April 2010. Lynn Hung and Fan Siu-wong reprise their supporting roles, while martial arts choreographer Sammo Hung appears as a master of Hung Ga martial arts.

Yen has expressed his disinterest in making a third film, feeling that, "Ip Man 2 will incontrovertibly become a classic, bettering the first."[50] Yen later stated that after Ip Man 2, he would no longer be involved in a film based on Ip's life.[51] While both Donnie Yen and Raymond Wong are not keen on making a third Ip Man film, director Wilson Yip has expressed interest in making one that would focus on the relationship between Ip and Bruce Lee. While Ip Man 2 briefly focuses on Lee as a child, Yip hopes to find a suitable actor to portray Lee as an adult for the third installment.[52]

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RJ
November 12, 2010 at 06:36 PM

the legend is born is the third movie with Dennis To instead of Donnie Yen. They do look alike. #1 takes place in Foshan in the late thirties. #2 is the sequel and takes place in HK. #3 is the prequel to the other two. Yip is a teenager in Foshan. The third movie came out at the end of June 2010. The reviews are pretty confusing. So which 2 movies did you see?

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xiao_liang
November 12, 2010 at 06:19 PM

Yea, but it's a prequel. There was supposed to be a third featuring ip man's relationship with Bruce Lee, but the main actor doesn't want to be typecast and has said he doesn't want to be in it. :-(

The wikipedia entry is pretty good. The films play pretty fast and loose with the truth...

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daniel70
November 12, 2010 at 04:22 PM

Ashes of Time

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daniel70
November 13, 2010 at 03:21 PM

Hey Baba, it was in Cantonese, so you're off the hook on the *I don't understand nothing* front. While making this film they also made a parody called Eagle Shooting Heroes with the same cast -- apparently to cover the cost of Ashes of Time. These films are based on the characters from the Condor Hero novels.

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bababardwan
November 12, 2010 at 10:39 PM

daniel,

I haven't seen that one, but see it has some big names and like a lot of Chinese films looks to be done on a huge scale...I guess there are no shortage of dudes happy to rock up and not be paid much as extras [just a hunch]. Thanks for the link. I was thinking/hoping that it was in Cantonese, 'cos I wasn't picking up too much [though the loud background music doesn't help], but then one line sounded like it was in Mandarin.

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RJ
November 12, 2010 at 02:14 PM

Really? Enter the dragon? A bit corny I always thought but like pretzel I do like Hero. I saw Hero for the first time on the plane home from china a few years ago. Great timing. I find Bruce Lee's real life much more interesting than his movies.I would also like to see IP man. Got to put that on my list. Crouching tiger I enjoyed watching. Flying daggers too. Its strange how a movie hits you different though after a few years.

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bababardwan
November 12, 2010 at 10:56 PM

"I find Bruce Lee's real life much more interesting than his movies."

...fair comment. Yeah, I can see that. I think I agree. His presence was perhaps even stronger in interviews, and yeah, a very interesting life story, no doubt.

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bababardwan
November 12, 2010 at 10:14 PM

haha. Good one mate. If this doesn't entice Simon out of hiding to defend himself, nothing will. :)

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RJ
November 12, 2010 at 04:00 PM

Update- Watching it now (IP man). Hey, this guy has the same wooden girlfriend that Simon had. :-)

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pretzellogic
November 12, 2010 at 01:16 PM

Enter the Dragon was probably my favorite for many years. Then I didn't watch the film for a long time, then took three years of Kung Fu.  After the Kung Fu lessons, Enter the Dragon looks so poorly acted, unfortunately.

My new favorite is Hero.  Mixing music and fighting works for me.

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pretzellogic
November 14, 2010 at 01:29 AM

Enter the Dragon will always be a sentimental favorite. I do need to go back in watch some more of the old Bruce Lee films. I actually think I've only seen about 5 or so.

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bababardwan
November 12, 2010 at 10:49 PM

pretzell,

Yeah, I loved Hero too and I know what you mean about poor acting and movies becoming dated. But still, there is something so enigmatic about Bruce Lee and some of his lines still crack me up. Admittedly I haven't actually watched it in some time though I've got the video, so I'm going from a replay in my head, but I don't think watching it again will change my opinion. I was often conscious watching those old films of how good the hero's fighting looked until you instead focused in on what the opponent was doing and you realised that was usually pretty lame.

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bababardwan
November 12, 2010 at 12:19 PM

ps I must see Ip Man and Ip Man2. Can't believe I've missed it. Anyone seen them?

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pretzellogic
November 14, 2010 at 01:31 AM

Sounds like I need to put Ip Man on my list to see as well. I'd never even heard of it until now.

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bababardwan
November 13, 2010 at 01:51 PM

yeah, face to foot style:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fbob2srHszg

...how do you like it?

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RJ
November 13, 2010 at 12:22 AM

I went to the Huang Feihong Kung fu museum named after a grand master of the Hung Ga style and dedicated to the "ten tigers of Guangdong" - Foshan has quite a history of wushu masters. Huang Feihong was also a practitioner of Chinese medicine. I dont remember seeing anything related to Yip but Im sure its there. They are proud of their martial arts history.

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xiao_liang
November 12, 2010 at 11:50 PM

Do you practice Kung Fu then barbs?

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bababardwan
November 12, 2010 at 10:41 PM

RJ

yeah, I thought you and Simon would both like that he was from Foshan. Did you strike anything related to him when in Foshan?

xiao_liang,

thanks for the feedback. Good or bad I was determined to watch it anyway [due to his historical significance from a Kung Fu point of view], but glad to hear it's good. I knew ages ago that it was coming and then somehow missed the release and it had slipped my mind.

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RJ
November 12, 2010 at 02:48 PM

It is supposed to be a true story, with a little relish (embellishment). Yip was from Foshan. I hope they did the truth some justice. Now I have to see it. I can probably buy from i-tunes and watch it on my i-touch right now. I love modern technology.

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xiao_liang
November 12, 2010 at 02:40 PM

Ip Man 2 was definitely my favourite of the two, I was sad to hear they wouldn't be making an Ip Man 3 with the same actor. It's corny as hell, not to mention predictable, but the fight scenes are just great :)

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RJ
November 12, 2010 at 02:17 PM

Its fate. Got to be.

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xiao_liang
November 12, 2010 at 02:12 PM

Oh, I saw Ip Man 2 (and Ip Man: The Legend is Born) on the plane back from China. Loved them!