Why do the Chinese have such long showers
bodawei
March 15, 2010 at 01:32 PM posted in General DiscussionMy province is in the grip of drought and agricultural production is beginning to be seriously affected. The uni administration has asked students to contribute ideas on how to conserve water and some students in turn asked my wife for advice. 'Why don't you institute a rule of three minute showers' she offers. 'Oh no, we couldn't do that' was the reply. 'No-one would like that'. On further questioning the students estimate the average shower to be about half an hour, with some students staying under for about an hour. Needless to say, the students do not pay directly for water. (My suggestion was 'make them pay directly for water'.) What do poddies think?
rods
March 17, 2010 at 02:37 AM
Cold water may solve the 30 minute shower problem as well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJY2tkoQlQA
bababardwan
March 16, 2010 at 07:01 AM
哈哈大笑,谢谢Roderick,
顺便那个YMCA短片让我想起来听说老外在淋浴的时候,有中国人有的时候哦会注目
其他的Poddies听说这个?
而且,要不这个短片:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlrtQb24Qxw
lujiaojie
March 15, 2010 at 02:01 AM
When I lived in the north of China, I often in a shower for morn than half an hour. However, I shower once every week, not everyday!
bodawei
March 15, 2010 at 02:56 PM
Hi Lujiaojie
Thank you for your contribution. My wife did research on economic bath houses, stories from the last two or three decades, and her answer to the question I posted was the same as yours. She says that she found with people she interviewed they showered once a week mainly for economic reasons. For women with children and babies there was another factor; many were so busy with other chores they did not often get the opportunity to make the trip to the bath house. When they made it they had a good long shower. (They were not allowed to have baths.) :-)
changye
March 15, 2010 at 01:52 PM
Hi xiao_liang
What lujiaojie said above is very right. The daughter of a Chinese friend of mine told me before that she, a college student, take a shower only once a week, BUT wash hair every day! As for me, I took a bath every day when I was in Japan, but I must confess that I've already become rather lazy here in northeast China. When in China, do as the Chinese do, hehe.
xiao_liang
March 15, 2010 at 09:20 AM
I think this is one of those lovely cultural differences :) Also, a physical difference. I don't think I'm out of order in saying chinese people (in general) tend to sweat less. I know that no matter the coldness or dryness of air, if I don't shower for a couple of days, I tend to smell awful! The curse of 老外 :)
lujiaojie
March 15, 2010 at 09:09 AM
The air is drier, and the winter is so cold, so people not need to shower too much.
xiao_liang
March 15, 2010 at 08:49 AM
What is it that's special about the north that makes people not need to shower more than once a week?!
lujiaojie
March 15, 2010 at 06:20 AM
这是真的。北方不需要每天洗澡,冬天每星期洗一次,夏天两三天洗一次。
还有个原因就是,有些地方洗澡不方便,并不是每个人的家里都能洗澡。
matthiask
March 14, 2010 at 06:59 PM
you could ask to become vegetarian:
http://www.waterfootprint.org/?page=files/home
bodawei
March 14, 2010 at 01:23 PM
It is not only showers - many Chinese people I have observed are (from the perspective of a person from a very dry country) wasteful when it comes to water.
Examples:
Doing the washing up with the water running the entire time
Washing rice you are about to cook - it is sluiced three or four times with the water running
Allowing the tap outside toilets where you wash your hands run, ditto taps inside public toilets
There are also signs everywhere urging people to conserve water, but it is only slowly sinking in.
I think that these latter examples are not driven entirely by the same factors as the long showers (perhaps only that people are often not paying directly for water.)
xiao_liang
March 14, 2010 at 01:38 PM
I think these are habits quite common across the developed world. Water conservation is a hard lesson to learn in countries with plentiful water.
changye
March 14, 2010 at 09:38 AM
I always hate to see a lot of running showers with no one under them at a public bath here in China.
xiao_liang
March 14, 2010 at 08:12 AM
I've never noticed chinese people showering any longer than anyone else?! Option 5: It's an over-estimation of how long they spend in the shower.
bodawei
March 16, 2010 at 11:27 PM
It was just your showering arrangements that I was going into ;-), sorry if that became a little personal. I was just amused that you said that you shower 'every week'.
Regarding the Chinese people in question, I think context is important - Chinese people studying in Britain are not 'typical' Chinese for a range of reasons They are doing their best to fit into a new country, and this could impact on their showering habits. Having said that, I think that if you had consciously observed (timed) their showers you may have found that they shower for longer periods than the Poms. I have had Chinese people living with us in Australia for extended periods and they all have long showers compared to the average Aussie.
If your sample are quick in the shower, that is still an interesting result, but you cannot extrapolate your experience to the whole of China.
xiao_liang
March 15, 2010 at 05:46 PM
No offense, but I'm not going into my living arrangements with you.
It was a dorm in a UK university, filled with chinese students as well as english. Split by gender, by unit. 6 rooms per unit. The students in my girlfriend's dorm were all Chinese nationals, studying in England usually for the first time.
Perhaps you'd like to ask me their names?
bodawei
March 15, 2010 at 03:11 PM
'Every week for the last three or so years' :-)
Now, about your story - sorry I can't stop smiling about your 'every week' - do you mind me asking where there are mixed dorms? I have stayed in mixed dorms in hotels and hostels but I was not aware this happened in universities. You mean in China, right?
xiao_liang
March 14, 2010 at 01:36 PM
Every week for the last three or so years, bodawei. I also lived on and off in my girlfriend's dorms for a year, which was populated entire by chinese people born and bred on the mainland.
bodawei
March 14, 2010 at 01:15 PM
In the story above it is presumably time under the shower (but I haven't actually showered with those students.) :-)
Where I lived previously they pay for water by the minute; in this situation I believe the time under the shower head would be shorter, but it is still a very long time. Where they pay by the minute you buy a little stored value card and swipe the shower; it goes in about three minute blocks of time. You keep swiping if you want a longer shower. The guys would be there soaping up or washing their hair in the gaps when the water ran out; all up they would be there for about half an hour.
bodawei
March 14, 2010 at 01:08 PM
@xiao_liang
How often have you showered with Chinese people born and bred on the mainland?
bababardwan
March 14, 2010 at 08:15 AM
I suppose bodawei,you clarified that that was actually time with the water running and wasn't including time in the shower room pre and post shower grooming,getting dressed,makeup etc?
It does seem likely though that as you were talking about the drought and cutting back on water usage that they were talking about time under the shower head.
sydcarten
March 14, 2010 at 06:47 AM
I'd rather live with ppl who shower too much rather than too little.
Here in Australia once a day is pretty normal and we don't understand how the POMs (English) can get away with showering as infrequently as they do.
xiao_liang
March 14, 2010 at 01:37 PM
How often are we supposed to shower? I shower every day, and so does everyone I know. Is that too infrequently?
Yours, a Pom.
bodawei
March 14, 2010 at 06:14 AM
Okay here are four possibilities:
1. (the obvious one) they are not paying directly for the water
2. they shower maybe one or two times a week so need to do a thorough job
3. they do not get much privacy in their lives (lots of people, crowded conditions) so the shower is one place that they can enjoy privacy, make the best of it
4. they (for some cultural reasons possibly related to being mainly an agricultural society) have a need to scrub themselves very thoroughly - this takes time
bodawei
March 14, 2010 at 01:28 PM
The bath house behaviour I refer to are 'economic' bath houses, patronised mainly by people who cannot afford a hot water system inside their own 厕所. That and curious foreigners? And students (who are only temporarily poor)? I am not talking about the spas. So it is metaphorically a daily ritual, but these people may only have a couple of showers a week because of the cost.
bababardwan
March 14, 2010 at 01:20 PM
hehe,reminds me of "out damn'd spot" from Macbeth.
oh right....you may be right then,but is this everyday ritual ,or is that more of a luxury/pampering session [or in the bleeding case perhaps not so luxurious...but related to important health beliefs as I think you rightly suggest].
bodawei
March 14, 2010 at 01:06 PM
That's why I said 'cultural' reasons.. it is hard to understand. I went to the public bathhouse once and watched discretely (lucky I didn't get arrested?).. my showering companions seemed to rub off at least two or three layers of skin. They liked an abrasive kind of wash cloth as well. I'm wondering if it is related to a traditional Chinese medicine view of the world, because they also like a good abrasion in a massage. (I have been left literally bleeding.)
bababardwan
March 14, 2010 at 08:03 AM
I like reason number 3 best mate.Obviously there's a lot in reason 1 as well.I'm not too convinced by 2 or 4 though....doesn't matter how dirty you are,you're not going to need an hour to get clean.
go_manly
March 14, 2010 at 04:16 AM
What can you do in a shower for half an hour? And some stay in an hour? What a waste of precious time.
bodawei
March 16, 2010 at 07:16 AM
啊呀! 每天我看到'youtube'的词句我感到失望了! 没办法。
最近我认为他们斗不过我,在i-tunes下载’best of youtube'了。 但是这个计划都黄了。 还没有youtube的广播。
bodawei
March 15, 2010 at 01:35 PM
They make you give the hospital jarmies back and the underpants go in the bin.
bababardwan
March 15, 2010 at 07:50 AM
Oh,thanks for this info mate.Luckily I decided to scroll back to the beginning of this thread or I would have missed it.Do you get to keep the jammies then and wear 'em about town afterwards?
bodawei
March 14, 2010 at 01:39 PM
We have a couple of spa towns within an hours drive of our city. Typically a Chinese family make it an outing two or three times a year, but obviously it would depend on disposable income. I went to one where it cost 100 RMB each person (that was a discount on list price) for a choice of 20 or 30 different pools, an endless supply of water to drink, and a short massage. A huge choice of shampoos, conditioners, and skin lotions. But no food - that is extra. You can spend all day there if you like.
It is amusing that you are not allowed to wear your own clothes in the relax area (where you can get a massage) - they give you a pair of jarmies and a pair of paper underpants. (Not much more modest than a hospital gown.)
Some of the hotels in town pipe the natural hot spring water right into your room.
bababardwan
March 14, 2010 at 08:11 AM
"What can you do in a shower for half an hour?"
..nothing,absolutely nothin' mate [meditate,become one with the shower,veg out,whatever]...what luxury.This reminds me of the Bisy Backson character from the Tao of Pooh.We all get so busy that we don't stop and relax sometimes.I love a long shower but we recently had a drought here for a few years and were all trained to have very short ones.Those hot spring baths in places like Taiwan and Japan are so appealing.I suppose they have them in mainland China too do they?...what's the scene there?
Tal
March 14, 2010 at 03:57 AM
Half an hour in the shower! I am astonished.
Come to think of it though, I've never really wondered before about how long (Chinese) people spend in the shower.
When I first came to China I did miss having a bathtub and the luxury of a half-hour soak, (as often as not with a book to keep me company, I used to get some great reading done that way,) but gradually I forgot about it and these days I'm sure I use a lot less water than I ever have in my adult life before. I'd say 10 minutes is my maximum.
rods
March 15, 2010 at 10:20 PMThis reminds me of the Seinfeld episode "The Apology." Kramer spends an unusually long time in the shower and seeks Jerry's advice:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xSYmP0Vj7o
Kramer takes notes at the YMCA:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUoyb1bgSAo