Yes, I'm in China now

simonpettersson
March 19, 2010, 10:05 AM posted in General Discussion

So it seems some people have been curious about my whereabouts. Since March 2nd I have indeed been in Foshan, China. It's ninja heaven and I've simply been too busy having the time of my life to have time to get on here.

So, yeah, that's the reason. Since some time ago I've stopped using CPod for studying and instead used native sources. Now I've got native speakers, so I find I've certainly got all the material I need. Before, I went to CPod to use the Vocab tool and then synced to it with my iPhone, but here I don't have an internet connection on my phone, so I input everything directly into it instead. Hence my absence from this great community.

Buh, I'm not sure I have the time or energy to give an account of what I'm doing. Basically, I'm training Wing Chun, I've taken up Latin dancing and I'm spending the rest of my time with a beautiful young Chinese girl, hanging out in parks, going to restaurants, the police station (yeah … don't ask) and so on. Sometimes I spend the evenings out with some mates and a number of bottles of beer. This place is paradise.

I have been reminded again and again that ChinesePod is Shanghai-based and that Foshan is not Shanghai. Some of the cultural information I've learned through CPod simply doesn't apply. For example, I've met two persons all in all who can speak English to any degree above "Hello! How are you!". One is my shifu, who's an English teacher and who spends a lot of his time with foreign learners of Wing Chun like myself. The other one I've had some conversations with in English, but only on my suggestion, because I felt it was right I return the favor of language practice. Nobody has suggested I teach them English. I also asked about traveller's diarrhea, and the response was "Dude, China isn't like what you might have read". Neither I nor any of the other westerners I've met have had any problems. Also, I haven't found any opportunities for bartering. I tried it once, but the guy's respose was basically "No, you don't understand, look at the price tag." (which, I admit, might have been a clever bartering technique).

I'm also glad to find that barring really old people, everyone speaks fluent Mandarin. I've had no problems in talking to people. It took a week or so to get used to the accent, but other than that there are no problems. Sometimes I don't know a word, but I can usually talk around it. My talking skills are of course much worse than my comprehension skills, but that's in line with my priorities, as I find comprehension to be much more important. I have enountered some problems when moving onto abstract subjects like politics, philosophy and religion. I was a bit afraid that I'd have problems talking to people since I never used my Mandarin before coming to China, but I seem to have been worrying in vain. The vocabulary content of most daily conversations is quite limited and I find it's a lot easier to talk to someone than to watch a TV show or read a book.

Uh, what else? The local food is horrible. Cantonese cuisine seems to consist mainly of "X drenched in oil", "Wet cardboard with veggies", "Fish heads" and "Pig innards porridge". Also, don't make the mistake of thinking that 田鸡 means "field chicken". It's not chicken. Luckily, there's no shortage of other cuisines. I've grown particulary fond of the Dongbei food and I've become a regular at the local Dongbei restaurant.

I'm also relieved that people here don't have the attitude of Hong Kong people towards learners of Cantonese. I've heard people in HK don't want you learning it, but here everyone is really happy when you speak a few words.

Also, kung fu is everywhere here (well, at least in my neighborhood). The streets are lined with wushuguans and kung fu shops filled to the brim with weapons. It's pretty awesome.

I think that's it for now. I've got to go, as I'm off for some barbecued fish and maybe a beer, followed by an afternoon of Cha-Cha. Don't expect me to check in too often, as I'm not wanting to spend my time here online. I might return for some more advanced lessons in the future, when I feel I'm not getting further with the tools I've got here, but otherwise, I'm too busy having the best time of my life.

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bababardwan
March 19, 2010, 10:27 AM

Great to hear you're having the time of your life mate and thanks for dropping by with a very interesting account of how you're getting on.

I'm wondering if ,just as Capoeira disguised martial arts in dance moves,you'll combine your Wing Chun and Latin Dancing into your own style.

I hope you will remember to drop by on occasion and update us,but in the meantime,continue to have a ball.Jiayou.

ps Personally I felt confident you'd go well with putting your mandarin knowledge into practice despite a former lack of interactive dialogue.I think your shadowing was an excellent idea.

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simonpettersson

I actually did Capoeira for a year. It's so much fun. When my shifu heard that, he asked me to show him a few moves, then he said "Great! Tomorrow is my birthday party! You can do a show for everyone! And introduce the art using Mandarin, of course."

That was actually ok. I've done Capoeira for a year and I've been occasionally brushing up my moves. I was more uncomfortable with his putting us (three) students up to show Wing Chun, since I'd been doing that for about a week (and the other two about a month).

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bababardwan

"You can do a show for everyone! "

...yeah,and while you're at it,upload it to youtube and post the link here as your swan song for the time being.。。请问,麻烦你,求你

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bodawei
March 20, 2010, 10:10 AM

Hi Simon

I was intrigued by yr response to Cantonese food - I used to be anti-Cantonese food until I experienced the real thing.  Particularly the 'pig innards porridge' - I think this holds the greatest promise.  Seriously I love the 粥 zhou1 in 广东.. it is the pick of their dishes, and you don't need to eat it with giblets.  Good luck with it!  

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pretzellogic
March 19, 2010, 10:44 AM

totally cool to hear all that.  Thanks so much for the update.  Language learning for its intended purpose. Cpod should definitely pick your brain for more lessons learned.  Have a couple of local brews for me!

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bababardwan

me too.干杯 !!

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bababardwan
March 19, 2010, 10:47 AM

me too.干杯 !!

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bababardwan
March 19, 2010, 10:48 AM

ps I suppose you're not keeping a blog or anything? I'm sure your exploits and the lessons you learn would make for some fascinating and entertaining reading.

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simonpettersson

If I did, it'd be in Swedish, anyway. But it's the same thing there; I don't want to spend my time here writing about it.

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bababardwan

very wise actually...I'd do the same. We can only selfishly patiently wait and hope we'll hear about it all in a years time or so when you return.Jiayou.

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simonpettersson

I'll go to Shanghai and visit CPod HQ at some time. If I can force myself into the News and Features show (now that there's no Dear Amber) I'll tell you guys all about my experiences here. And, of course, anyone who passes by Foshan ought to stop by for a drink or three.

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bababardwan

oh yeah,of course,you must go on N&F.That's one we can look forward to.

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RJ
March 19, 2010, 11:43 AM

Now you are making me jealous. I do love Foshan. You are so right when you say its not SH. For one thing, everything in Foshan cost about half of what it would cost in SH. You may be right about the lack of bargaining. In SH I cant walk down the street without attracting 32 guys that want to sell me a watch. In Foshan I have walked through markets checking out the goods at every stand and even though I am the only foreigner for miles, and the chinese version of Billy Mays (was a famous infomercial pitchman in the US) is hawking goods on a microphone, no one tries to sell me anything. I actually felt invisible. Very comfortable. The people in Foshan are great. My favorite restaurant is "Song Chao Hai Xian". Give it a try.

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simonpettersson

Yeah, nobody has tried to sell me anything, either. My favorite part of interacting with the locals is the worried look on some people's faces when I approach them, which is then replaced by a big smile when I address them in Mandarin.

Thanks for the restaurant tip! I'm guessing the "Hai Xian" is 海鲜? "Chao", is that 炒? And what "Song" is that? If you don't remember the characters, do you at least know the tones? I can't really look it up otherwise.

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RJ

Hi Simon, this one is tricky.

餸朝 song4chao2 but the "song" is a cantonese word and is a trad character. You are correct about the 海鲜。

餸朝海鲜酒家 is the full name. If that doesnt help I can probably get an address or at least a street name. The place is about 10 min out of town. To leave you must ask them to call you a cab or walk a quarter mile or so back over the bridge to the first intersection and you can grab a cab there much easier than in front of the restaurant. The food is all live when you get there. You have to pick your own shrimp etc and there are various cooking methods. Its helpful to take someone who knows how to order.

Send me a pm with your email address and I will buy you a beer the next time I am in Foshan.

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RJ

btw - the name means "Song Dynasty seafood restaurant".

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changye

Hi rjverki

I don't know what the word “餸朝” means, but the character “餸” means "a side dish of food" in Cantonese. Actually, “餸朝” has the same pronunciation as that of “宋朝” (Song dynasty). Is this a kind of pun joke?

http://www.cantonese.sheik.co.uk/dictionary/characters/1239/

P/S. It's "song4chao2", but not "song4zhao1". Right?

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bababardwan

“worried look 。。。replaced by a big smile when I address them in Mandarin.”

..how delightful...must be a very special experience.Thanks for sharing :)

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simonpettersson
March 20, 2010, 02:04 AM

I actually did Capoeira for a year. It's so much fun. When my shifu heard that, he asked me to show him a few moves, then he said "Great! Tomorrow is my birthday party! You can do a show for everyone! And introduce the art using Mandarin, of course."

That was actually ok. I've done Capoeira for a year and I've been occasionally brushing up my moves. I was more uncomfortable with his putting us (three) students up to show Wing Chun, since I'd been doing that for about a week (and the other two about a month).

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xiao_liang
March 19, 2010, 10:43 AM

Wow, fantastic! Fighting, dancing, and carousing with pretty girls. You are a modern day musketeer!

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simonpettersson
March 20, 2010, 02:05 AM

If I did, it'd be in Swedish, anyway. But it's the same thing there; I don't want to spend my time here writing about it.

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simonpettersson
March 20, 2010, 02:10 AM

Yeah, nobody has tried to sell me anything, either. My favorite part of interacting with the locals is the worried look on some people's faces when I approach them, which is then replaced by a big smile when I address them in Mandarin.

Thanks for the restaurant tip! I'm guessing the "Hai Xian" is 海鲜? "Chao", is that 炒? And what "Song" is that? If you don't remember the characters, do you at least know the tones? I can't really look it up otherwise.

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Tal
March 20, 2010, 02:38 AM

All the best Simon - have fun! ;)

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RJ
March 20, 2010, 03:03 AM

Hi Simon, this one is tricky.

餸朝 song4chao2 but the "song" is a cantonese word and is a trad character. You are correct about the 海鲜。

餸朝海鲜酒家 is the full name. If that doesnt help I can probably get an address or at least a street name. The place is about 10 min out of town. To leave you must ask them to call you a cab or walk a quarter mile or so back over the bridge to the first intersection and you can grab a cab there much easier than in front of the restaurant. The food is all live when you get there. You have to pick your own shrimp etc and there are various cooking methods. Its helpful to take someone who knows how to order.

Send me a pm with your email address and I will buy you a beer the next time I am in Foshan.

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RJ
March 20, 2010, 03:31 AM

btw - the name means "Song Dynasty seafood restaurant".

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simonpettersson
March 20, 2010, 02:04 AM

Will do.