help with 之

xiao_liang
March 24, 2010, 10:59 AM posted in General Discussion

Can anyone help me with  之 (zhī) - I'm finding the use of this character really hard to understand. I understand that it's a kind of joining character, but would appreciate some examples of its use? I have it in a list of more common chinese characters (it's in the top 100!) but can't find a reliable use?

谢谢你们!

小凉

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zhenlijiang
March 24, 2010, 08:16 PM

Here are some starters:

In my limited exposure to Chinese I probably use/see it most commonly as part of ‘~之一’ (one of ~).

‘之’是100个最常用的汉字 
"之" is one of the 100 most commonly used hanzi.

中国菜系是世界三大菜系
Chinese is one of the three great cuisines of the world.

三分    one-third

百分三十   thirty percent

Please don't ask me to explain how exactly it's different from 的--another "of".
And I don't know if there are cases in which you may ever interchange with 的 or not.

the Silk Road is 丝绸之路.

I also see ~之间 with pretty high frequency.

夫妻之间  between husband and wife

朋友之间  among friends / between friends

I began writing this with a lot more confidence than I am ending on. So as always, I'm hoping our helpful teachers/experts will see and quickly set me right if I'm leading you astray here, and even if I'm on the right track it would be nice if they could kindly add to this and explain 之 much more completely.

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xiao_liang

That's a really great start, certainly. Perhaps it's just one of those "you use it when you use it" characters that you just have to learn set pieces with.

Can you use it for every sense of between I wonder? Like:

那个两辆车之间 - Between those two cars

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xiao_liang

p.s. forgot to say THANK YOU zhenlijiang!

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lujiaojie

You can say:

那两辆车之间

我们之间

在那件事之后

在出国之前

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xiao_liang
March 24, 2010, 08:35 PM

That's a really great start, certainly. Perhaps it's just one of those "you use it when you use it" characters that you just have to learn set pieces with.

Can you use it for every sense of between I wonder? Like:

那个两辆车之间 - Between those two cars

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xiao_liang
March 24, 2010, 08:36 PM

p.s. forgot to say THANK YOU zhenlijiang!

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changye
March 25, 2010, 05:12 AM

“之” means "to go" in classical Chinese. The character originates in the shape of "foot" in oracle bone scripts.

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ellen_counselor
March 25, 2010, 08:09 AM

之 zhī

① A zhī B: in a B relationship to A

e.g. sāntiān zhī nèi (within three days)

       huíjiā zhī qián (before returning home)

② A zhī lèi/liú (A and the like) 

Xītèlè zhī liú (Hitler and his like)

③  so ... that ...

Tiānqì ∼lěng, lián wūzi lǐ de shuǐ dōu jiēbīng le. (The weather was so cold that even the water in the room froze.)

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xiao_liang

That's interesting, thank you Ellen.

" huíjiā zhī qián (before returning home)"

Would that be different from 回家以前 (huíjiā yǐqián)?

" Tiānqì ∼lěng, lián wūzi lǐ de shuǐ dōu jiēbīng le. (The weather was so cold that even the water in the room froze.)"

Sorry, I'm being blind, where is the 之 in this one?

thanks

Steve

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xiao_liang

p.s. Hitler! What an example!

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xiao_liang
March 26, 2010, 08:44 PM

That's interesting, thank you Ellen.

" huíjiā zhī qián (before returning home)"

Would that be different from 回家以前 (huíjiā yǐqián)?

" Tiānqì ∼lěng, lián wūzi lǐ de shuǐ dōu jiēbīng le. (The weather was so cold that even the water in the room froze.)"

Sorry, I'm being blind, where is the 之 in this one?

thanks

Steve

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xiao_liang
March 27, 2010, 08:45 PM

p.s. Hitler! What an example!