Australia is having a General Election

bodawei
August 05, 2010, 07:11 AM posted in General Discussion

 

The Government brochure in Chinese starts as follows:  

为何必须先注册才能投票?

选举权是生活在民主国家中的特权之一,即对由谁来管

理国家行使你的发言权。

在澳洲,法律规定你必须在选民册上注册并投票。更重

要的是,这使你有机会选择谁代表你进入联邦议会。

你注册后,你的姓名和地址就登记在联邦选民册上,而

选民册即为有权在选举中投票的选民名单。

如果你是18岁或以上的澳洲公民,你就必须注册和投

票。

如果你已年满17岁,你就可以注册,以登记在册,等年

18岁时便可参加投票。

选举宣布后不久将停止选民注册;你如不在选民册上,

就不能参加投票。联邦、州/领地和地方政府选举的截止

日期各不相同;因此,为了确保不错过选举,你应当去

 

注册,使自己的姓名列入选民册。

Does anyone share my view that this does not really answer the question, particularly for someone new to our system of voting. 

Does anyone have any election material in Chinese they would like to share?  

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changye
August 05, 2010, 09:18 AM

问题何在?请你说明详细一点,谢谢。

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bodawei

I will have to revert to English, sorry. Lack of time, and also lack of Chinese. :)

The question: 'why do I have to enrol to vote?' is possibly best answered by: 'to ensure that you vote only once'. More cynically the answer is: 'so we have an address to send the fine to for not voting'.

The answers given do not address the main reason directly, and this I think would be confusing for someone using our electoral system for the first time. Instead the answer goes along the lines:

- it is a privilege to vote in a democracy

- if you don't enrol you can't vote [I am not sure that this is even absolutely true although it is repeated elsewhere on the website]

- if you don't vote we will fine you (about A$200 last time I looked.)

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changye

It seems to me that Australian democracy is just "real", hehe. Are you also fined if you don't enroll? Are there "conscientious abstainer" in your country?

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kimiik

A "conscientious abstainer" would use a blank vote.

Btw, I don't see any conscience in the translation of "conscientious objector" on Nciku : 拒服兵役者

http://www.nciku.com/search/en/detail/conscientious+objector/20945

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bodawei

There have been famous campaigns that give up their right to a vote by writing something on the ballot paper (eg. 'No More Dams'). As kimiik points out a blank vote means you 'abstain' but I am not sure that this is conscientious abstaining - conscientious implies that you explain your position, such as ('No More Dams'). But these protests are not protesting the electoral system. There are platforms of electoral reform but this is not 'abstaining'. I remember that uni we had the Anarchists do quite well in the Student Representative Council elections - if they won they promised to disband the SRC.

If you don't vote they fine you and 'too busy at work' is no longer accepted as an excuse. If you don't pay the fine they can suspend your driver's licence until you pay - a wonderful example of federal-state co-operation.

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changye

If you don't enroll, you don't need to (or can't) vote, and no fine. Am I right?

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bodawei

I'm not sure of the penalties for failing to enrol. You are automatically put on the roll if a citizen when you turn 18, I believe (how do they know where you live I wonder?), but you can slip off the roll by not keeping your enrolment up to date. Australians have never agreed to a national ID card like you have in China so there are a few problems for Government bodies trying to keep track of people. Specially if you don't pay personal income tax and/or opt out of the universal health system. Eg. Australians who live overseas can avoid being on any of these lists.

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go_manly

Interestingly, they say that compulsory voting favours the Labor Party. I guess there are conclusions that could be drawn from that.

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bodawei

I have just checked on the need to enrol - you can be punished for not enrolling (exceptions for people in gaol and people who are mentally unfit). I was wrong about the fine for not voting - it appears to be initially $20, escalating to $50 and then they can take other action if you don't pay.

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bodawei

Favouring the Labor Party. Enthusiastic Liberal voters may believe that Labor Party voters are more likely to have less education ('too stupid' put in the crudest terms?) to vote; I don't know what the evidence is but these stereotypes look pretty shaky these days. Even the two current contenders are in important ways peas in a pod.

A better explanation may be that Labor voters are likely to be less advantaged, may suffer more disabilities, have a lower income, etc. and these comprise barriers to casting a vote, or at least a valid vote, at the margin. (unlikely to be a significant factor.) Again I haven't seen any evidence, except that the conservatives generally seem to favour non-compulsory voting and this is probably a case of self-interest. Or could it be that they really believe in democracy? :)

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go_manly

I wonder how the outcome of elections in the USA and England would be affected if voting was made compulsory there.

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bodawei

maybe we could also export preferential voting? If anyone could explain how it works.

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changye

Hi bodawei

Thanks a lot for your explanations. Please tell your Australian friends who hate the nice system that (if possible) they should immigrate to the PRC, where you aren't bothered with elections, good or bad.

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go_manly

The preferential voting system looks complicated at first glance, but when you do come to understand it, you realise that it is the fairest possible system. In a first-past-the-post system, two candidates with similar policies can lose to a weaker candidate, due to vote-splitting.

Unfortunately, prescriptive how-to-vote cards and above-the-line voting detract from the fairness of the system. I don't understand how politicians can crack down on collusion in other industries, yet still believe vote-swapping schemes are OK.

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xiaophil

I'm pretty sure that the Democrats would benefit from such a compulsory voting system as people who tend not to exercise their right to vote tend to express preference towards the Democrats in polls. Then again, it could backfire if the Democrats passed such a law and people are miffed that they are made to vote. I like the idea of preferential voting. There have been some talk about it in the States, but I guess it will take a long time to be implemented for the simple reason that Americans often don't like to use other people's systems, no matter how practical they are.

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go_manly

Perhaps practical is not the right word here. Preferential voting is fair, but somewhat less practical than first-past-the-post. In our upper house elections, where there can be over 50 candidates for a handful of seats, the final count can take weeks to finalise, especially when there is a close result.

If the US ever takes up our system, they will want to avoid our pitfall - that is, parties being allowed to nominate how their preferences will be distributed.

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bodawei
August 09, 2010, 11:05 PM

The election campaign grinds on in Australia ... From a language point of view the most interesting thing is that the likely winner speaks in a voice that is largely unintelligible to the outside world. Voice coaches describe her style as 'using far too many vowels'.  It was reported elsewhere about her trip to the US where high school students could not understand a word.  

Us Aussies also have a little trouble understanding her, but that has nothing to do with her intonation.  :)   

I wonder if (should she win) meetings between Gillard and Obama will be held with interpreters in attendance? What about a phone conference?  

[Ring ring .. ring ring]  

Obama: Who's speaking?  

Gillard: It's zhuliyaaa..

Obama: What?  Who is this?  

Gillard: It's zhuliyaaa!!...ZHULIYAAAA!  

[Click].   

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bababardwan

lol ! hehe, yeah there should be a new version of the classic "hu's on the phone":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMXUQSmykKM

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bababardwan

btw, here's a short [6s] youtube clip [sorry folks who can't get it] of her speech:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jDb5AfqHMs&feature=player_embedded

...bit of a worry ...as the clip shows, our pm's not smarter than a 5th grader

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bodawei

Thanks mate for both of those videos - I am really not sure if there is anything wrong with Julia's voice. About 1990 I reckon is when I noticed we became unashamed of our accent. Before that public figures either:

- had posh accents to start with

- polished their accents up when they got into public life

- were picked on by the media for displaying a Westie accent

Until Julia I reckon. Maybe because she's the first woman to go natural.

PS. it is my first look at YouTube in a long time - I don't think I will miss it much when I'm back behind the wall. :)